Wrong.
What's apparent is that you and I live in different realities. (If you can wrap your neurons around that one.) While I am certain that there are many others, one of the crucial differences between these realities (academic-minded folk might call these "paradigms") is that in yours it actually makes sense to "destroy the village in order to save it," while in my reality such behavior is known as a Crime Against Humanity.
>and it's as well, painfully apparent that it
>is impossable to carry on an adult conversation
>with you
It may prove difficult to maintain a well-educated conversation between the you and me, but I suspect that we are both legal adults. If you wish to imply (or state outright) that I am immature, then I suggest that you provide some evidence to back up such an unexpected declaration.
>soldiering student happens to be a great friend
>of mine, but yet I am not biased.
Of course you're biased. We are ALL biased. A person who believes that they are truly objective in their opinions and decisionmaking is painfully deluded and is easily manipulated into parroting the words and ideas of others.
>You make speculation that the US Military's
>primary function is to blow childrens arm's off
Wrong.
Perhaps you'd care to *read* my previous posts prior to commenting upon them? Not only did I not suggest this absurdity initially, I further clarified on 19 July when I stated:
"I didn't say that such acts are the *sole purpose* of the US military. They're not. The primary purpose of the US military is to maintain and expand economic and political control around the world for the US corporate government.
The children, families, villages which are raped, murdered, burnt, destroyed... their deaths are often incidental to the primary objective(s)."
>I have to ask you this question, do you think the
>US would survive without a military?
From Edward S. Herman:
In a widely quoted line from his book The Lexis and the Olive Tree (1999), [Thomas] Friedman says, “The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist. McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the U.S. Air Force F-15, and the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.� This is not said with any hint that it might be wrong to use force to impose the market on people who don’t seem to want it. It recalls Kissinger’s famous line justifying the U.S. intervention in support of the Chilean coup and followup terror and mass murder, that the Chilean people had been irresponsible in voting in Allende. zmagsite.zmag.org/Nov2003/herman1103.html
>Would you pick up arms and fight to protect our
>lands if they were being invaded?
I don't know about these being "our" lands, but just like the Lakota and Cheyenne warriors at the Battle of the Little Bighorn, I'd fight to protect my folks from the murderous invaders.
>Rather then label us as murder's, etc. Thank
>us for protecting your freedom to voice your
>thoughts
I thank the people who struggled and died to protect what freedoms we have... I thank the activists who marched, picketed, sat-in, sang... who went on strike in the face of violent cops, thugs, and national guardsmen... who were harrassed, beaten, arrested, murdered. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.
You, on the other hand, have chosen to associate yourself with an organization that prides itself on being one of the most effective and efficient killing machines this planet has ever known. You're part of the machine. Congratulations.
>Do you think you speak out against the governent
>and the military like that in the soviet union
>before it's collapse, of even Iraq under Saddam
Wow, is that the best you can do? Are you seriously telling me that I should love the US military because the socio-political situation in the US is better than it was in the Soviet Union or under Saddam Hussein? That's pathetic. What do you think would happen to me if I said these things in Switzerland? Or Sweden? Or Canada? I'm not saying that those countries are the ultimate bastions of liberty... I'm merely pointing out that comparing the US to some shitty dictatorships is really lame. And also, that the US isn't really unique in terms of free speech.
>you realize, by keeping recruiter's from
>recruiting those that might want to join,
>your screwing everyone else, god forbid a
>draft start, all of you would be in, and I
>don't want that....and I know you don't want
>that.
Screwing everyone else? I don't think so. Every person that doesn't join the US military is one less pawn on the lunatic Neo-conservatives' chessboard. One less person pulling the trigger on Iraqis and Afghans, etc. One less person who will have to live with that murder on their conscience for the rest of their life, if they survive, that is.
A draft? Not bloody likely. Public opposition to a military draft is overwhelming. Seriously advocating for a general military draft would be political suicide for 90% of US politicians. Not going to happen.
But if a draft were implemented, you'd see marches and protests and sit-ins and draft card burnings and endless other forms of civil disobedience almost overnight all across the country. It would make the 60's look like the 50s.
The draft was a major factor in radicalizaing young people during the Vietnam era. A return to the military draft would be a nightmare for the economic elite... far too expensive.
Fight War, Not Wars
Date Edited: 21 Jul 2005 06:14:58 PM
Wrong.
What's apparent is that you and I live in different realities. (If you can wrap your neurons around that one.) While I am certain that there are many others, one of the crucial differences between these realities (academic-minded folk might call these "paradigms") is that in yours it actually makes sense to "destroy the village in order to save it," while in my reality such behavior is known as a Crime Against Humanity.
>and it's as well, painfully apparent that it
>is impossable to carry on an adult conversation
>with you
It may prove difficult to maintain a well-educated conversation between the you and me, but I suspect that we are both legal adults. If you wish to imply (or state outright) that I am immature, then I suggest that you provide some evidence to back up such an unexpected declaration.
>soldiering student happens to be a great friend
>of mine, but yet I am not biased.
Of course you're biased. We are ALL biased. A person who believes that they are truly objective in their opinions and decisionmaking is painfully deluded and is easily manipulated into parroting the words and ideas of others.
>You make speculation that the US Military's
>primary function is to blow childrens arm's off
Wrong.
Perhaps you'd care to *read* my previous posts prior to commenting upon them? Not only did I not suggest this absurdity initially, I further clarified on 19 July when I stated:
"I didn't say that such acts are the *sole purpose* of the US military. They're not. The primary purpose of the US military is to maintain and expand economic and political control around the world for the US corporate government.
The children, families, villages which are raped, murdered, burnt, destroyed... their deaths are often incidental to the primary objective(s)."
>I have to ask you this question, do you think the
>US would survive without a military?
From Edward S. Herman:
In a widely quoted line from his book The Lexis and the Olive Tree (1999), [Thomas] Friedman says, “The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist. McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the U.S. Air Force F-15, and the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.� This is not said with any hint that it might be wrong to use force to impose the market on people who don’t seem to want it. It recalls Kissinger’s famous line justifying the U.S. intervention in support of the Chilean coup and followup terror and mass murder, that the Chilean people had been irresponsible in voting in Allende.
zmagsite.zmag.org/Nov2003/herman1103.html
>Would you pick up arms and fight to protect our
>lands if they were being invaded?
I don't know about these being "our" lands, but just like the Lakota and Cheyenne warriors at the Battle of the Little Bighorn, I'd fight to protect my folks from the murderous invaders.
>Rather then label us as murder's, etc. Thank
>us for protecting your freedom to voice your
>thoughts
I thank the people who struggled and died to protect what freedoms we have... I thank the activists who marched, picketed, sat-in, sang... who went on strike in the face of violent cops, thugs, and national guardsmen... who were harrassed, beaten, arrested, murdered. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.
You, on the other hand, have chosen to associate yourself with an organization that prides itself on being one of the most effective and efficient killing machines this planet has ever known. You're part of the machine. Congratulations.
>Do you think you speak out against the governent
>and the military like that in the soviet union
>before it's collapse, of even Iraq under Saddam
Wow, is that the best you can do? Are you seriously telling me that I should love the US military because the socio-political situation in the US is better than it was in the Soviet Union or under Saddam Hussein? That's pathetic. What do you think would happen to me if I said these things in Switzerland? Or Sweden? Or Canada? I'm not saying that those countries are the ultimate bastions of liberty... I'm merely pointing out that comparing the US to some shitty dictatorships is really lame. And also, that the US isn't really unique in terms of free speech.
>you realize, by keeping recruiter's from
>recruiting those that might want to join,
>your screwing everyone else, god forbid a
>draft start, all of you would be in, and I
>don't want that....and I know you don't want
>that.
Screwing everyone else? I don't think so. Every person that doesn't join the US military is one less pawn on the lunatic Neo-conservatives' chessboard. One less person pulling the trigger on Iraqis and Afghans, etc. One less person who will have to live with that murder on their conscience for the rest of their life, if they survive, that is.
A draft? Not bloody likely. Public opposition to a military draft is overwhelming. Seriously advocating for a general military draft would be political suicide for 90% of US politicians. Not going to happen.
But if a draft were implemented, you'd see marches and protests and sit-ins and draft card burnings and endless other forms of civil disobedience almost overnight all across the country. It would make the 60's look like the 50s.
The draft was a major factor in radicalizaing young people during the Vietnam era. A return to the military draft would be a nightmare for the economic elite... far too expensive.
www.warresisters.org/
www.resisters.ca/
;-)
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