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Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

You can criticize Israel all day and night, since Israel allows for dissent, but it's a different story at the Palestinian Authority. Corruption is rampant in the PA with Arafat having pocketed over a billion dollars of aid money meant for the Palestinian people. The PA gets $125 million a month in aid, but only a third of it gets to the Palestinian people. Arafat was elected 8 years ago to a five-year term.

Yet many indy readers think the Jewish State of Israel should be dismantled and replaced with a secular democracy like the PA.

Let's look at this example of the kind of rule we could expect if Israel's critics get their way.
German surgeons have amputated the leg of Palestinian legislator and former information minister Nabil Amr, who was shot by masked gunmen on the night of July 20th in his Ramallah home, minutes after his return from a television interview where he criticized Arafat. Palestinian security sources revealed Wednesday that Arafat suspended an investigation into the shooting, claiming that Israel was behind it. Amr was known as a particularly outspoken critic of corruption and inefficiency in Arafat's administration. (Ha'aretz)
 
 


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Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

It is well known that Arafat has done the dirty work of the Zionists by cracking down on those opposed to the so-called “two state solution�.

It is also well known that the Zionist government shuts down newspapers as well as jails, tortures, and murders people for their political views. Political prisoners describe how they became so used to hearing the screams of their tortured comrades that they could play chess while it was going on. Of course these people are not seen by the Zionists as human because most are Palestinians.

Becky you are wrong. Israel does not allow dissent.
 

Jerusalem is the third largest news agency in the world, Steve

Steve, Jerusalem has more news outlets and agencies than any other City in the world other than New York City and London.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are guaranteed by Israeli law. Can't say that about ANY Arab country.

As for torture, that too has been taken up by the the Israeli Supreme court. They ruled, that in instances where vital information and expedience dictate that Israel has a bonafide security reason to use coercive measures to obtain information, the only method they are allowed to use is Sleep deprivation.

I suppose in reality that other forms of torture have been and are being used. But they are illegal. And those doing it can and should be punished.

But more than likely, the story you told was just that---a story--that someone made up. Maybe you believe its true. I do not.

Under Islamic law, a person may lie if it is in the interests of Islamic Jihad. Remember those "funerals" in which the "dead" guy fell off the litter on which he was being carried and ran off into the crowd? Those are acts which are staged for international consumption.

Kids throwing rocks at Israeli tanks are also milked for all the anti-Israel PR that can be managed. Did you see the movie "Gaza Strip" that the RCNV played? In that movie EVERY day the Palestinian boys ages 14-19 would go down to the IDF army post and throw rocks at the soldiers there. EVERY day. Did your parents let YOU go down and throw rocks EVERY day at someone or something you didnt like?

have you ever thrown a rock at a living human being in your life?

The Jews, BTW, don't do that because their law teaches them you're not supposed to even hurt people's feelings, even when its true! Much less throw a rock at someone.

Also: Zionism is kind of passe, Steve.

Zionism was the movement by people who were Jewish or of Jewish ancestry who acted to return to the land of their forefathers. They did it by lobbying and not conquest. With the birth of Modern Israel in 1948, the Zionists kind of retired since they had finished their job.

You should call them the Israelis or even the Jews. For Israel is a Jewish Nation in its charter. Instead you call them the "Hebrew-speaking people" or the Zionists. What is THAT all about? Can't you say the name Israel?

So Steve, your One-state "solution" doesn't involve a Jewish State existing anymore does it?
Do you really want to see Israel fall?
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

The above post is absurd and illogical.
 

The Point is....

If a Palestinian (even a legislator!!) speaks out to criticize the Palestinian Authority, they get shot. In Israel, by contrast, 20% of the population regularly protests against the Israeli govt. and NO ONE gets shot, arrested, or lynched.
Thats because Israel is a DEMOCRACY with FREEDOM OF SPEECH and THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO REDRESS GOVT. GRIEVANCES.

Anti-fecklessness has no arguments to refute the main article NOR my response to Steve Argue.

He/She should be completely ignored. At least Steve has the courage to state his views under his own name and provide his e-mail address allowing private contact with him.
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

You don't have to try to silence us. That's PRECISELY our point: no one reads what you say!
Because you are illogical, but persistent and therefore irrelevant!
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

October 4, 2003 Haifa 19 killed, 60 wounded Islamic Jihad Suicide
bombing in restaurant owned by Jews and Arabs
August 19, 2003 Jerusalem 22 killed, 135 wounded Hamas Suicide bombing
on a bus.

January 5, 2003 Tel Aviv 23 killed, 108 injured Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Two suicide bombers in an immigrant neighborhood

June 5, 2002 Megiddo 17 killed, 38 injured Islamic Jihad Car bomb
next to bus

May 27, 2002 Petah Tikvah 2 killed, 37 injured Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Suicide bomb in shopping mall

May 22, 2002 Rishon Lezion 2 killed, 40 wounded Suicide bomb on
pedestrian mall

May 19, 2002 Netanya 3 killed, 59 injured Hamas and the PFLP Suicide
bomb in market

May 7, 2002 Rishon Lezion 16 killed, 55 injured Hamas Suicide bomb
in pool hall

Apr 12, 2002 Jerusalem 6 killed, 104 injured Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Suicide bomb in Mahane Yehuda market

Apr 10, 2002 Kibbutz Yagur 8 killed, 22 injured Hamas Suicide
bombing on bus

March 31, 2002 Haifa 14 Killed, 40 Wounded Hamas Suicide bombing at
restaurant

March 29, 2002 Jerusalem 2 killed, 28 Wounded Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Suicide bombing at supermarket in Kiryat Yovel

March 27, 2002 Netanya 22 killed, 140 Wounded Hamas Suicide bombing
at Passover seder at Park Hotel

March 21, 2002 Jerusalem 3 killed, 86 Wounded Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Suicide bombing downtown

March 20, 2002 Afula 7 killed, 30 wounded Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Suicide bombing on bus

March 14, 2002 Karni-Netzarim road 3 Killed, 2 Wounded Fatah al-Aksa
Martyrs Brigade Remote Control Mine

March 12, 2002 near Kibbutz Matzuva 6 Killed, 7 Wounded Fatah al-Aksa
Martyrs Brigade Gunmen Ambush Vehicles

March 12, 2002 Kiryat Sefer checkpoint 1 Killed, 1 Wounded Shooting
Attack

March 11, 2002 Ashdod 1 Wounded Gunman Opens Fire at Bar Mitzvah

March 10, 2002 Netzarim 1 Killed Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade
Shooting Attack

March 9, 2002 Jerusalem 11 Killed, 54 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber at
Cafe

March 9, 2002 Netanya 2 Killed, 50 Wounded Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade 2 Gunmen Open Fire on a Promenade

March 7, 2002 Atzmona 5 Killed, 23 Wounded Terrorist Opens Fire and
Throws Grenades

March 7, 2002 Ariel 6+ Wounded Suicide Bomber in Hotel Lobby

March 5, 2002 Sderot 1 Baby Wounded Kassam Rocket

March 5, 2002 Afula 1 Killed, 10 Wounded Suicide Bomber on Bus

March 5, 2002 Tel Aviv 3 Killed, 35+ Wounded Gunman Opens Fire at
Restaurants

March 5, 2002 outside Bethlehem 1 Killed, 1 Wounded Gunman Ambushes
Vehicle

March 2, 2002 Jerusalem 10 Killed, 50+ Wounded Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Suicide Bomber outside Synagogue

February 27, 2002 West Bank 3 Wounded Fatah Female Suicide Bomber

February 25, 2002 Jerusalem 1 Killed, 8 Wounded Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Gunman Opens Fire at a Bus Stop

February 25, 2002 Gush Etzion 1 Killed, 1 Pregnant Woman Wounded Fatah
Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade Gunmen Open Fire on a Car

February 22, 2002 Efrat 1 Wounded Suicide Bomber in Supermarket

February 22, 2002 North of Jerusalem 1 Killed Fatah Drive-by Shooting

February 19, 2002 En Arik 6 Killed, 1 Wounded Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Gunmen Open Fire at Soldiers

February 18, 2002 Gush Katif 3 Killed, 4 Wounded Fatah Al-Aksa
Martyrs Brigade Gunfire and Bombs at Cars

February 18, 2002 near Jerusalem 1 Killed, 1 Injured Fatah Al-Aksa
Martyrs Brigade Car Bomb

February 16, 2002 Karnei Shomron 2 Killed, 27 Wounded Popular Front
for the Liberation of Palestine Suicide Bomber at Crowded Shopping
Mall

February 14, 2002 Gaza 3 Killed, 4 Wounded Mine Placed Under Tank

February 10, 2002 Be'er Sheva 2 Killed, 4 Wounded Hamas Drive-by
Shooting

February 8, 2002 Jerusalem 1 Killed 4 Teenagers with Knives

February 6, 2002 Moshav Hamra 2 Killed, 5 Wounded Hamas Gunmen
Infiltrates Moshav

January 30, 2002 Taiba 2 Wounded Fatah Suicide Bomber

January 27, 2002 Jerusalem 1 Killed, 150+ Wounded Fatah Female Suicide
Bomber

January 25, 2002 Tel Aviv 24 Wounded Islamic Jihad Suicide Bomber at
Crowded Pedestrian Shopping Mall

January 22, 2002 Jerusalem 2 Killed, 40 Wounded Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Guman Opens Fire on Crowd

January 17, 2002 Hadera 6 Killed, 35 Wounded Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs
Brigade Gunman Opens Fire at Bat Mitzvah Celebration

January 15, 2002 Beit Jala 1 Killed Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade
American Kidnapped and Murdered

January 9, 2002 Kerem Shalom 4 Killed, 2 Wounded Hamas Gunfire and
Expolsives

December 12, 2001 Emmanuel 10 Killed, 30 Wounded Fatah & Hamas Bomb
and Gunfire Attack on Bus

December 9, 2001 Haifa 31 Wounded Suicide Bomber

December 2, 2001 Haifa 15 Killed, 46 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber on
Bus

December 1, 2001 Jerusalem 10 Killed, 188+ Wounded Hamas 2 Suicide
Bombers and a Car Bomb in a Pedestrian Mall

November 29, 2001 near Hadera 3 Killed, 9 Wounded Islamic Jihad &
Fatah Suicide Bomber on Bus

November, 27, 2001 Afula 2 Killed, Dozens Wounded Islamic Jihad &
Fatah Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade 2 Gunmen Opened Fire on Crowd near the
Central Bus Station

November, 27, 2001 Gush Katif 1 Killed, 3 Wounded Hamas Grenades and
Gunfire

November 26, 2001 Erez Checkpoint 2 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber

November 24, 2001 Kfar Darom 1 Killed Hamas Morter Shell Landed on a
Soccer Field

November 4, 2001 Jerusalem 2 Killed, 50+ Wounded Islamic Jihad Gunman

October 28, 2001 Hadera 4 Killed, 40 Wounded Gunman

October 28, 2001 near Kibbutz Metzer 1 Killed Tanzim Drive-By
Shooting

October 17, 2001 Jerusalem Israeli Tourism Minister Rehavam Ze'evi
Assasinated Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Gunmen in
Hotel

October 7, 2001 Beit She'an Valley 1 Killed Suicide Bomber

October 4, 2001 Afula 3 Killed, 16 Wounded Gunman Opens Fire on
Crowd

October 1, 2001 Jerusalem Several Wounded Car Bomb

September 9, 2001 Nahariya 3 Killed, 90 Wounded Hamas 1st
Israeli-Arab Suicide Bomber, at Train Station

September 9, 2001 West Bank 2 Killed, 4 Wounded Gunmen

September 4, 2001 Jerusalem 20 Wounded Suicide Bomber disguised as
Orthodox Jew

September 3, 2001 Jerusalem 3 Wounded Series of Car Bombs

August 12, 2001 Kiryat Motzkin 21 Wounded Islamic Jihad Suicide Bomber
at Cafe

August 9, 2001 Jerusalem 15 Killed, 130+ Wounded Islamic Jihad & Hamas
Suicide Bomber at Pizzaria

July 16, 2001 Binyamina 2 Killed, 11 Wounded Islamic Jihad Suicide
Bomber at Bus Stop

June 22, 2001 Dugit 2 Killed Hamas Suicide Bomber

June 1, 2001 Tel Aviv 21 Killed, 120 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber at
Disco

May 30, 2001 Netanya 8 Wounded Islamic Jihad Car Bomb outside School

May 27, 2001 Jerusalem 30 Wounded Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine & Islamic Jihad 2 Car Bombs

May 25, 2001 Hadera 65 Wounded Islamic Jihad Car Bomb

May 18, 2001 Netanya 5 Killed, 100+ Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber at
Mall

May 9, 2001 Tekoa 2 Killed Islamic Jihad Two 14 year-old Boys Beaten
and Stoned to Death, found dismembered in a Cave

April 23, 2001 Or Yehuda 8 Wounded Islamic Jihad Car Bomb in Outdoor
Market

April 22, 2001 Kfar Saba 1 Killed, 60 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber at
Bus Stop

March 28, 2001 near Kfar Saba 2 Killed, 4 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber
at School Bus Stop

March 27, 2001 Jerusalem 7 Wounded Islamic Jihad Car Bomb

March 27, 2001 Jerusalem 28 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber

March 26, 2001 Hevron 10-Month Old Infant Shalhevet Pass Killed
Sniper from Abu Sneineh

March 4, 2001 Netanya 3 Killed, 65+ Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber

February 14, 2001 Azor 8 Killed, 21 Wounded Hamas Bus Driver Plows
into Crowd

January 23, 2001 Tulkarem 2 Killed Hamas Gunmen Kidnap and Shoot 2
Israelis

January 1, 2001 Netanya 50+ Wounded Hamas Car Bomb

December 22, 2000 Jordan Valley 3+ Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber

November 22, 2000 Hadera 2 Killed, 55 Wounded Islamic Jihad Car Bomb
next to Bus

November 20, 2000 Kfar Darom 2 Killed, 9 Wounded School Bus Bombed

November 2, 2000 Jerusalem 2 Killed, 10 Wounded Islamic Jihad Car Bomb
in outdoor Market

October 26, 2000 Gaza 1 Wounded Islamic Jihad Youth Suicide Bomber on
Bike

November 7, 1999 Netanya 27 Wounded Hamas 3 Pipe Bombs

August 10, 1999 Nahshon Junction 6 Wounded Hamas Car Plows into Crowd
(Twice)

November 6, 1998 Jerusalem 2 Killed, 20 Wounded Islamic Jihad 2
Suicide Bombers

October 29, 1998 Gush Katif 1 Killed, 8 Wounded Hamas Suicide Bomber
Attacks School Bus

October 19, 1998 Be'er Sheva 59 Wounded Hamas Grenades Thrown at
Central Bus Station

October 11, 1998 Hevron 18 Wounded Hamas 2 Grenades Injure
Palestinians and Israelis

August 27, 1998 Tel-Aviv 14 Wounded Hamas Bomb In Dumpster

August 20, 1998 Tel Rumeiyda Rabbi Killed Hamas Fire Bomb & Stabbing
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Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

the end of the bombings would be a good first step in peace
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

This is exactly what was offered in exchange for the land. It is one thing if you do not trust the proposal but let me ask you this. Do you see a parallel between the suicide bombers and the 911 attacks? By this I mean do you think they were completely unprovoked?
 

There is no justification for suicide bombings

Alf: What possible reason would justify talking a 15 year old to strap high explosives on their body and blow up a schoolbus full of Jewish children?

Can you paint me ANY kind of justification that would make that act okay?

Desparation? Poverty? Humiliation?
I don't think so.

One suicide bomber killed himself (and as many Jews as he could slaughter) to protest one of the occupiers of the Chapel of the Nativity in Bethlehem being deported to an upscale hotel in Cyprus!!


Even in Islam, suicide is forbidden.

You are either in favor or killing Jews or against killing Jews. Too bad, Alf. You chose poorly.
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

Becky you never answer the question. You never address the point made. You go around in circles. You are quite naive. Have you ever left Santa Cruz or your gated community in your life? Does someone pay you to disrupt things in Santa Cruz? Do you read any sources other than google and the IDF?
 

Are suidcide bombing attacks ever justified?

Alf--if anyone is not answering questions it is you. I make several points, provide specific historical references, and cite specific instances. You don't refute anything I have said. If I am incorrect, why don't you address the issue and show me how i am incorrect with your corrected information?

Instead you question my intelligence, question my economic status in the community (what does that have to do with anything?) You question my motives. You question my funding sources.

BUT , most notably you don't refute anything I have said. I posted this article to show that if you criticize the PA, armed gunmen come and try to kill you.

If the question you claim I have not answered (did the US deserve to be attacked on 9/11) is what you are talking about---I would say "no".

The 3000 people who died on 9/11 were innocent civilians. No reason on earth could justify this attack. Bin Laden's number one reason for the attack was the presence of US troops on Saudi Arabian soil.

You are sounding like a battered wife. After a beating she says "what did I do to deserve this beating?" And then she resolves to keep her opinions to herself, keep the house cleaner, and to beg for forgiveness in order to not be beaten again. By believing that she is the cause of the beating, she actually tricks herself into believing that if she makes some changes in what she says and does, that then the beatings will stop.

The truth is the batterers must be stopped by society at large. By neighbors who call the police on the batterers and by courts who issue restraining orders. And by public condemnation of battering as an acceptable activity.

My motive is simply justice. I see Israel being maligned again and again on these pages, at the RCNV, at UCSC, and on Free Radio Santa Cruz. I am moved to do what I can to address this injustice. I am in the minority, but I am more sure than ever that I am on the right path.

All your name-calling instead of counter-arguments just is more proof that I am right.
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

The question was very simple. It was not "did the US deserve to be attacked on 9/11". It was simply "Do you think [the attacks] were completely unprovoked?"

Please, no theraputic analogies.
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

The "battered wife" hit back on 9-11...
 

There is no justification for the 9/11 attacks

Does America deserve to be attacked because of our women who wear bikinis?
Does America deserve to be attacked because we allow other religions to flourish other than Islam?
Does America deserve to be attacked because we fund Israel (and Egypt)?
Does America deserve to be attacked because we have a higher standard of living than a lot of other countries?

Osama Bin Laden has not given a good reason for attacking American citizens on American soil. Nor should we cave into demands made by terrorists who threaten more attacks. This is the beginning of tyranny.

How was Osama Bin Laden the "battered wife"?

He is not poor. He is not underpriviledged.
You want to make sense of the 9/11 attack and point to something Americans did that was the cause of the attack.

But there is no rational, reasonable "cause" for the 9/11 attack on America and on US citizens.

I'm surprised that you would support those who attacked America and killed 3000 Americans in one day. What could possibly have justified this attack?
 

Re: Palestinian legislator who criticized Arafat is shot and has his leg amputated

" Does America deserve to be attacked because of our women who wear bikinis?
Does America deserve to be attacked because we allow other religions to flourish other than Islam?
Does America deserve to be attacked because we fund Israel (and Egypt)?
Does America deserve to be attacked because we have a higher standard of living than a lot of other countries?"


I think that Karl Rove has a job for you.
 

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