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FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Skidmark Bob interviews Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut! before a media attack. Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino says Bad Cop, No Donut! promotes hatred of the police [see: Get 'hate mongering' off air: Fantino]. Ron talks about the show and support from CKLN. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

A commenter writes: Another critic who needs our support and solidarity! Put him on the list with Ward Churchill and Lynne Stewart, with Free Radio and WAMM. Seems like critics are getting silenced quick and fast in the third Bush administration.

Bad Cop No Donut, for those who aren't aware, is an excellent weekly digest of nationwide accounts of Police Brutality, from lawsuit settlements and legal decisions, to off duty officer conduct and corruption, to taser use, deadly force, and stories yet to be told.
Anicich gathers all the PIC [Prison Industrial Complex] news he can find and puts together a weekly compilation.


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Audio: Part Two: Interview w/ Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Free Radio Santa Cruz airs Bad Cop, No Donut! every Thursday at 1:00pm PST
101.1fm in Santa Cruz, California

See also: [ Salinas man dies after getting hit by taser stun gun I The Shocking Truth about Tasers ]
Skidmark Bob interviews Ron Anicich Bad Cop no Donut before Media attack from Police Cheif Julian Fantino saying Bad cop no donut promotes hatred of the police. Ron talks about the show and support from CKLN it will be intresting to see how this develops.

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FRSC airs Bad Cop No Donut every Thursday 1pm PST
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FRSC Interview w/ Ron Anicich

Another critic who needs our support and solidarity! Put him on the list with Ward Churchill and Lynne Stewart, with Free Radio and WAMM. Seems like critics are getting silenced quick and fast in the third Bush administration.

Bad Cop No Donut, for those who aren't aware, is an excellent weekly digest of nationwide accounts of Police Brutality, from lawsuit settlements and legal decisions, to off duty officer conduct and corruption, to taser use, deadly force, and stories yet to be told.
Anicich gathers all the PIC news he can find and puts together a weekly compilation.

How many people were killed by cops last week? Did you hear about the guy in Salinas? Up in Pacifica, killed with a Taser? Over the hill in San Jo? How 'bout the recent spate of convictions of cops for rape and molestation, sexual assault and other abuses of power? Keep an eye on your local po, indy readers.

santacruz.indymedia.org/

Listen to Bad Cop No Donut every Thursday at 1 on Free Radio. It's often broadcast Wednesday evenings, too, as well as at other times. PLEASE check the website [revampscripts.com/board/bcnd.shtml] and keep on top of this story before another voice is silenced. This program and this message are extremely important.

One of the things Ron mentioned in Skid's interview is how important it is to hear that this shit happens EVERY DAY... that while one sensational case might make the news, five others do not, in the very same week. This is going down in every major city in the country, every small town in the country, every suburb in the country.

Anicich further explains that he is being attacked for gathering news and information already published in other means. He is simply compliling every police brutality story he can find and putting them together in a weekly digest.

This is a dangerous program! LISTEN IN!
 

Re: FRSC: Interview w/ Ron Anicich of Bad Cop no Donut

Heres latest from Toronto Star:

Get police 'hate mongering' off the air: Fantino

DALE ANNE FREED
STAFF REPORTER

Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino is pressuring Ryerson University to ban a program on its campus radio station that airs negative stories about police.

READ THE FULL ARTICLE IN "OTHER PRESS"
santacruz.indymedia.org/otherpress/display/432
 

Re: FRSC: Interview w/ Ron Anicich of Bad Cop no Donut

the ''no donut'' guy does not promote hatred of cops. what promotes vile reactions to police is having them threaten your life , cal your granma a racial slur and allowing racist whites to get away with attacking black and native peoples, but especially african american and multiracial men.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview w/ Ron Anicich of Bad Cop no Donut

I doubt any of you people have ever had a bad encounter with a police officer. All of your ranting is based on stuff you've heard or read.

First, it seems like everyone on this web-site believes the media is evil. Yet, Ancinich bases all of his information on information that has been "published." Where does this "published" information come from... the media?

Hey danielsan, how many people were killed by police? Also, what did these people do the create the situation where the police had to use force on them? If these were good ole' Santa Cruz folk who had not done anything illegal then I think there'd be national coverage, right?

I agree that there have been cops who have made unethical decisions, but you people are crucifying an entire group based on the actions of a few. Does that make sense to you? If a doctor prescribes me the wrong medication am I justified in despising the entire medical profession?
 

Re: FRSC: Interview w/ Ron Anicich of Bad Cop no Donut

Uhhh, HUH???
Let me be the first to say that as a lifetime member of the SC Community, I've been racially profiled SOOOOOOOO many times it's impossible to count all the instances. People of color, the homeless or people who look homeless and youth in this community are espeically vunerable. Too many times I've been on my bike, riding day or night, and a cop pulls me over because supposedly "There's been a robbery in the area..." YEAH FREAKING RIGHT. I'm sick of being targeted for nothing more than my skin color or who I chose to associate with. I've had one SCPD sargent lie and mis-state the facts in a police report he filed after arresting me for some BS reasons. Of course, in the courts eyes it's my word against his, and who do you think the court will believe??? There were numerous witnesses to my arrest and detention but the police report said none could be found. This was BS as a woman stopped in her car and gave a statement to the police as I was handcuffed and detained while waiting for the arresting officer to ID me. Her name never appeared in any of the documents I recieved.

Look, I'm not against every police officer and I maintain a friendship or two with some of SC's finest boys in blue. I know there are a lot of honest hardworking people who really want to just serve their community and I'm fine with them. What I do have a problem with is predatory and racist police officers who think they are above the law or any other form of accountability. Don't forget SC lost its citizens police review committee due to the city's bad financial shape. Yet the actual police budget remains one of the largest city budget items still today. Seen the new SCPD SUV's??? Heard about the massive retirement packages and pensions??? While the rest of the city and its schools suffer, the police budget seems especially off limits and untouchable. There's a scary parralell to the nation budget as well as military spending seems to only go up and remains the federal governments number one expenditure as well.

Shows like Bad Cop No Donut are essential to maintain accountability among police. If police are allowed to act with impunity and cultures of secrecy to protect their own are allowed to exist, then police will have no incentive to behave properly. Too often police behave in an abusive or illegal fashion thinking that it won't come out in court or that the defendent won't recieve adequate legal representation to challenge the violations of ones rights in court. This is especially true if one gets a Public Defender. These over worked civil servants hardly have time to properly address each case and its circumstances. When my case came up over the previously mentioned arrest and false statements by the Sargent, I was bounced from one overworked attorney to the next, with 4 seperate Public Defenders eventually handling my case. 4 lawyers on my case you say, isn't that good??? No, what I mean is that I explained my case and how I felt we could challenge it to 4 different attorneys 4 different times. The best I could get out of them was a misleading plea bargain in which I recieved way more punishment than was told to me that I would recieve. So, after having these lies told in the report, my attorney essentially lied to me as to what the consequences of this plea bargain would be. The attorney said it would be community service and thats it, but the judge added several more stipulations and fines. Again, I don't neccessarily blame the attorney as the judges actions were beyond his control, but it definately sucked to think one thing was going to happen, and then have another happen.

This is just one brief and incomplete example of how the criminal INjustice system works and how we can all fall victims to its corruption and excesses.

Finally, I'd invite Huh to check out the show this week or any other week on Free Radio Santa Cruz 101.1 FM. The show is also available for download from radio.indymedia.org
Listen to the show and then respond. It's honestly rather disturbing to hear, but important information to put out there at the same time.

Keep watching the cops people, cause you know they're watching you!!!
 

Re: FRSC: Interview w/ Ron Anicich of Bad Cop no Donut

if youve been profiled that many times like i have and seen what i have, you wouldnt want ANY friendship with any cops.they are not my friend and my white friends dont trust them at all either.dont get that appeasinf '' i got some friends men in blue '' thing.those guys would kill a black or mixed race man and lie and say you had a weapon or they thought you were going to do something.FUCK ALL POLICE KISS MY NOT WHITE ASS!!!!!
 

Salinas man dies after getting hit by taser stun gun

SALINAS, Calif. A Salinas man who was shot several times by police using a Taser electric stun gun has died.
santacruz.indymedia.org/otherpress/display/431/index.php
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

i was passedand hit by someone who left the road on the right to do it, but written up as at fault, how many rooms of carpet did the cop get? another time i was forced into the street at gunpoint, called a stupid f--k, and the cop swore in court that i was already in the road! and thats just two of about a dozen in the past fifteen or so years. and people wonder why evansvilles population is shrinking!
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Uh Huh, open your eyes and look beyond your narrow white perspective. I am white and yes, indeed, personally I am relatively safe in day-to-day life. Most of my experiences with police have been in the context of protests, and the first time you see a nonviolent protest get clubbed and and mashed into the ground it is a transforming experience (that was in my case in the relatively benign country of Holland)

But the fact that you don't get harassed should not obscure the fact that harrassment and murder happens on a daily basis. Check nonviolentprotester.com/CMS/index.php and nonviolentprotester.com/CMS/index.php for the current reign of terror unleashed on Ceres, CA. Forgot also about Amadou Diallo? The infiltration of Peace Fresno? The ongoing harrassment of homeless people in Santa Cruz? The continuous oppression of the Watsonville police force?

Just because you don't know, doesn't mean it is not happening.
 

In response to Huh

I think your one of those that argue for the sake of arguing!
Anyway thats the whole point of the show gathering police abuse stories from corporate media
in one place at one time shows you how even though the corp media reports it, it is only in the local press so the nation never sees whats really reported all in one place at one time.
What once was a "few bad apples" has turned into an epidemic and the public needs the information
to create real change.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

what do you propose happen to the police?

what would u say to a radio show called:
Bad African-American No Chicken
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Corrupt police should be espcially humiliated and punished for violating the publics trust and financing of their operations. Lying, stealing, physical violence, rape, abuse, and corruption should not be tolerated by anyone, especially a public that slashes social services to finance those who are supposed to protect and serve. I have no real problem with honest non-racist cops who aren't out to "save the world" from the evil doers or whatever other threat is the flavor of the week. Granted, they represent a horribly corrupt and probably unsalvagable state, but for the most part they are just people trying to survive and I don't hold that against them until they give me a reason to do so. I hate the institution and the corrupt officers once I have reason to do so, otherwise I just consider them misguided lost souls.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

First, no one responded to my question of why is law enforcement being singled out for being the only "corrupt" organization in the world? Why wasn't anyone here making a fuss when revelations about priests abusing younh boys was spreading? Why isn't anyone here making some noise about the young men and women who are risking their lives in a war, supported by government officials that aren't sending their kids there?

Don't get me wrong, un sandinista, your statement was loud and clear, but I've never followed the theory that "if it happens to me then it must happen to everyone." That's a "cop-out;" that would be like saying if one youth from a bad area can succeed then they all should be able to.

Second, I'm trying to show both sides of every stance. When someone writes "fuck all police" they're stereotyping and that's wrong. If "Bad Cop, No Donut" would also give praise when cops put away a pedophile or save a drunk driver from a burning car then I wouldn't have a problem with the purpose of the show.

Third, as for the police taser incident. Police got these so people like danielsan wouldn't make a big stink everytime somebody got shot. Give the officers credit for having the piece of mind to utilize that resource. Now that they've used you want to blame the cops for the taser killing someone? I can see it now, before hitting the streets a bunch of cops turn up the watts of electricity in their tasers so that it'll really pack a punch... get real. Don't yell at the cops, yell at the companies who are making those weapons.

Finally, if you hate cops, nothing I say is going to change anyone's mind. For every bad thing you hear about cops, there's something good that they've done that we'll never hear about.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

"When someone writes "fuck all police" they're stereotyping and that's wrong."

Not exactly. To stereotype, someone would have to be expressing a fixed idea about what all police are like, such as "all police are racist. Fuck them." This would be stereotyping. When someone says "fuck all police," if they are at all intelligent, they are most likely expressing their hatred for what police must do as part of their job, i.e. their role in society as defenders of the interests of private property, their role in enforcing the law, etc. They may be expressing their hatred for people who are willing to carry out this job. To say "I hate police because of what they do in accordance with their role in society" is not to stereotype. Sorry, but you are wrong.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

* Issue: activists focus on police misconduct only, ignoring police heroism.

While I cannot speak for the producers of the show, I can answer with a similar question: why do police focus only on the public's criminal behavior, and never on the public's good deeds?

It's called "focus". We are all only human, with limited time, energy, resources, and hours in the day. So we focus on what we think matters most.

* Issue: when tasers kill, who's at fault?

Someone hands me a gun. They swear to me it's empty. Believing this, I point the gun at an innocent, pull the trigger, and accidentally kill that person.

Police will hold me responsible for that death, and even if they believe my story no amount of "but I was told it was empty!" would get me off the hook for manslaughter as a minimum charge.

Anyone wielding a weapon, is responsible for that weapon and what he makes it do. If they make the mistake of trusting bad information, they have still made that mistake and acted in a manner which directly brought unjustified harm to another.

* Issue: Activists focus too much on police as perpetrators of misconduct and show little interest in other villains

Police criminals are a special form of villain deserving special attention.

They walk in the open, everywhere.

They are all heavily-armed, armored, and equipped.

They outnumber any rival gang.

They are funded and paid out of every civilian's pocket, in exchange for accepting an obligation to protect and serve.

They are given access to vast amounts of information on us, most of which we are forced to provide under penalty of punishment.

Given these factors, police criminals are the most dangerous of any criminal element in America. Crimes by police are also significant, in that they are more than a violation of the laws of America and of common courtesy.

They are also a violation of the special trust and extra freedom granted them, and of the oath of obligation they have taken.

Police, as criminals and as members of a criminal organization, are also the dominant crime gang in America. They are #1, top of the food chain. No other gang can compete, nor dares to try on such scale. Other crime gangs are reduced to hit and run, hide and seek tactics.

If child-molesting priests were to exceed police in these respects, then no doubt activists would focus on the priesthood instead.

Understand one more thing. When activists give special attention to police misconduct, it is not merely that misconduct which interests us. There is a greater issue that also motivates us.

Unfortunately by focusing on police misconduct, we draw attention from this greater issue. But we focus thus because there has proven no adequate means to address the greater issue.

That issue being the crimes commited daily by police everywhere, in enforcing UNJUST LAWS.

Racism was once codified as law, and police enforced it. This enforcement was a violation of inalienable human rights (invoked, though not established, by the US Constitution).

"I was just doing my job" doesn't cut it, whether you're working for the Nazi Party, a Mexican drug cartel, or the local PD.

Police commit crimes (in the general sense of the word) against innocent civilians every day of the week. Most of these crimes are completely legal.

This legalization exists due to a mix of ignorance, apathy, and various ethical sicknesses in our society's leaders, and the voting and non-voting public. We are currently unable to correct this legalization, and thus find ourselves at the mercy of crusaders in blue uniforms who don't see the criminality of their behavior, or just don't care ("Just doing my job").

Police do the same, you know. Unable to pin anything to a known crime leader, they readily admit to focusing on anything they can. Traffic tickets, car registration, jaywalking, anything to apply pressure to their adversary whom they believe to be guilty of far greater sins but through clever means evades their accountability.

Activists, knowing police to be guilty of far greater sins, likewise apply whatever pressure they can at whatever vulnerabilities we can find.

We activists are no different from you police, in that regard. Such is the paradox of applying force vs appealing to reason. Both sides believe we are right, and both believe the end justifies our current favored means.

Such is the ongoing struggle of man against man, trying to stop what we see as unacceptable behavior.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

To the previous author,

Anyone running around spouting "all cops should die" is obviously suffering from violent tendencies, is probably mentally disturbed with a history of being in and out of jail, and will most likely be cuffed again soon to protect the community. Good riddance dirtbag, we'll be seeing you soon enough. Everyone ignores your pathological ranting anyway, which explains your desperate craving for attention.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Well, I thought you made some very cogent, and persuasive arguments, mcsd. I will try to remember how you deftly summed up the police state in the us. thanks.
 

Don't forget John Dine!

In 1997, "Happy" John Dine was waiting at a bus stop for a bus. Inside his fanny pack, he had a toy gun.

Officer Connor Carey of the SCPD pulled up to where he was at, jumped out of his car with his weapon drawn, went into a "combat stance" while training his gun on Happy.

Happy, who had been repeatedly harassed by the police on previous occasions, said "Fuck off!"
Carey fired two shots into Dine, killing him.
The shooting occurred 5 seconds after Carey got out of his car.

Officer Martin Over, went over to Happy's mortally wounded body, turned him over, looking for the toy gun, and finally found it in the fanny pack. He then threw it on the sidewalk.

Police Chief Belcher held a press conference at 10:00PM in which he claimed that Dine had pointed a toy gun at Carey prior to being shot.

The next Day, then DA Art Danner repeated this fiction that Dine had pointed a gun at the officers. Both Belcher and Danner exonerated the officers involved.

The problem was there were 10 eyewitnesses, such as Stacey Buckalew who reported to the police that Dine had nothing in his hand when he was shot. In fact, none of the non-police eyewitnesses saw a gun in Dine's hand.

Even SCPD Conner Carey reported in the sheriffs office investigation into an officer-involved shooting, that he had shot Dine when he was "reaching" for a gun.

The Citizens Police Review Board also concluded that Dine had no gun in his hand when he was shot, but bought the "reaching" argument. They exonerated Carey for the shooting. They failed to hold Belcher or Danner accountable for giving a false report to the press.

If the SCPD can get away with murder, then what else can they get away with?
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Back to Ron and BCND, Ive been in contact with him
he has gotten alot of attention in the media and mostly been positive, so it looks like he will have alot of listeners now thanks to the Toronto Police cheif..ha ha ha!!
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

I know this is a website that hosts mostly extreme views... But please tell me this idiocy is in jest...

"if youve been profiled that many times like i have and seen what i have, you wouldnt want ANY friendship with any cops.they are not my friend and my white friends dont trust them at all either.dont get that appeasinf '' i got some friends men in blue '' thing.those guys would kill a black or mixed race man and lie and say you had a weapon or they thought you were going to do something.FUCK ALL POLICE KISS MY NOT WHITE ASS!!!!!"

Now, to those who have made comments that have an iota of intelligence, I have to ask this question... If the police shouldn't use a taser, what should they use?

The cold hard fact of reality is that sometimes the police do encounter violent individuals that necessitate the use of force. What would you suggest the police do in this situation?

We're not talking about police brutality, which certainly exists, but that is a different question...
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

I encounter violent individuals sometimes. Know what I do?

I stop and analyze the situation.

Sometimes the violence is just two guys who have come out of a bar, they're arguing, and obviously eager to give each other a few bruises. They looked evenly matched.

Know what I do? I ignore it. If they both want to fight, let them. They're taking it out of the bar and away from the door, and they're not involving anyone else. Sure they made a little noise and attracted my attention, but so what.

Not all violent situations justify intervention.

Another time I saw a guy smacking a girl around. She wanted no part of it, and was trying to walk away. (They obviously knew each other and had some kind of relationship.)

Know what I did?

I intervened, brandished a blade, warned the guy to knock it off (which he did), and a bystander called cops who eventually showed up and took him away for assault. I didn't have to take even one swing, and the girl did not receive any more blows.

Our problem, n5667, is that police are too often demonstrably fond of seeing "necessity of force" where NECESSITY does not exist. Our problem is their over-eager DESIRE to use force.

Seven cops (2 cars, 5 motorcycles) were in front of Starbucks this afternoon on Pacific. A street punk sat across the street, looking dirty but minding his own business. Admist casual conversation, I overheard one cop say to another "Give ya $10 to taser that punk over there."

In casual conversation, in public. Out loud. This afternoon.

The problem isn't the weaponry, it's the irresponsible and immature attitudes of those wielding them. If this is Santa Cruz' "finest", I'd hate to meet the ones who failed the Academy.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

Dear Officer:

I don't want to kill you.

I don't even want to wound you. I admire your courage and the commitment you've made to help others, often at risk of own your life. I hope you won't come for me, because if you do, one of us will die.

It may be you.

I've done nothing wrong. I don't intend to. But the government which you serve has passed too many laws. I am sure to accidentally break one, some day. And that same government is systematically destroying the unalienable rights which our Constitution says may not be infringed ­ very specifically, my right to keep and bear arms.

I am not some wacko lunatic, but I can no longer stand idly by, while decent people are systematically enslaved by an out-of-control government. I cannot allow a corrupt judiciary to use its power to destroy my rights and my country. That government and that judiciary has begun to use you to arrest and kill people just like me ­ people who believe that the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean what they say.

You don't know me, but you see me every day. I may be a businessman, a truck driver, an executive. I could be a housewife or a salesman. But I am armed, as Americans have been for over 250 years, and I am determined to keep the freedoms which only an armed people may retain. With a rifle, I can hit a man-sized target at 800 yards. At shorter distances, in the blink of an eye, I can hit a head-size target with a rifle or a handgun. I don't wear a uniform. I don't drive a marked car. I don't wear camouflage. I could be your own secretary, or your barber. I might be the guy who delivers your bottled water, or the parcel delivery lady. You don't know who I am, or what arms I have, and you never will. I am tens of millions.

I am America.

But I know you. I know your uniform, your car, and your work schedule. I know where you work, and where you live. And that is good for you, because not only am I no threat to you, so long as you do the job for which you are hired, I am also prepared to assist you when you are threatened by real criminals. There aren't many of me left, you may think, but believe me, there are many, many more than you can imagine. When the chips are down, we are the ones who are truly on your side.

On your side, that is, so long as you honor your Oath. We are on your side if you are one of the majority of peace officers who are not corrupt and who have not sold out to the socialists and communists ­ freedom betrayers who will do anything, say anything to destroy the America our fathers and grandfathers bequeathed us.

No, I am no threat to you, but your bosses in government don't see it that way. They think that I, and my arms, are a threat to them, and they are planning to send you for me, just as they've sent armed, dangerous officers on select little missions for years, taking out targeted individuals. On their orders, you may succeed in murdering me for my beliefs.

Or you may not.

Whether or not you succeed in murdering me, as federal agents murdered Vicki Weaver and her young son in Idaho; or as those same federal agents murdered 81 men, women and children at Waco, Texas; there will be others who will rise up in my memory, as I now rise up in honor of the innocent lives taken by the jack-booted thugs and black-clad imitation ninjas who think it is fun to murder Americans ­ who have somehow become convinced that it is their job to murder Americans!

I am prepared to die, honoring my sacred Oath as an American, to defend and protect the Constitution of the united States of America. Are you prepared to die to violate the Oath you took?

You see, our government is out of control. It has rotted, from the top down. You know it.

You've seen it. But you, like many others, have been too concerned with your job, your family, and your pension, to say or do anything about it. Deep down, you know I am right.

But you think you must follow orders.

Or must you? Are you going to murder me for having the courage to stand up for the country and the principles in which you believe?

Are you going to go along with unconscionably illegal, unconstitutional orders, just as "good"

German soldiers followed their orders?

Are you going to be a peace officer or a jack-booted thug?

There is little difference between a street outlaw who murders and robs; and a uniformed thug who murders and robs under color of law. The result is the same. Property confiscated, lives ruined, families ripped apart, murder committed, and a free nation destroyed. Look at history. Look around the world. As we move toward a lawless society, our country moves closer and closer to anarchy and then some form of fascism. Are you going to enforce unconstitutional laws? Are you going to be the private army of socio/fascist dictators who masquerade as democratic representatives?

Or are you going to do your part to recapture America? Are you going to keep your eyes and ears open? Will you quietly let me know when the jack-booted thugs in the SWAT teams have targeted me? Will you let your fellow officers know that they are being sold down the river by their corrupt masters?

Don't come to kill me. Because I don't want to kill you.

If you do come, you may succeed ­ if you get lucky. But don't count on luck, because it will probably be hard ­ damned hard. Like millions of other Americans, I am the son or daughter of a nation of riflemen ­ citizen-soldiers who have a rich heritage of beating the best the enemy can send against us. We are resourceful. We cherish our homes and freedom. We understand weapons and tactics. You are foolish if you intend to be our enemy.

If you don't succeed, and in the long run, you won't, here's what you can expect: ambushes of SWAT teams, and the wholesale slaughter of all the jack-booted thugs who have murdered innocent Americans on the orders of their socialist masters; targeted assassinations and kidnappings of anti-Constitution judges, and assassinations of anti-American, anti-gun politicians.

By your willingness to be a good little Nazi, you will have unleashed a civil war ­ just what America's enemies want. It doesn't have to be that way. You can do something about it. It's easy. Read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Although you took an Oath to defend them, you don't learn much about them in your training, do you?

Today, these documents are considered dangerous by the government, just as King George found them dangerous over 200 years ago.

Why do you suppose your leaders lead you to oppose the very rights you swore to protect?

Why do they want a disarmed public?

You know the reason. It has nothing to do with controlling crime. It has everything to do with using you to disarm, fine, control, and ultimately murder your American fellows ­ just like the brownshirts and the SS did to German citizens.

Don't fall for it. Don't force me to kill you.

(signed) 100 Million American Patriots

www.hourofthetime.com/dearofficer.htm

In March of 1999, William Cooper, a decorated soldier honorably-discharged from the Office of Naval Intelligence, sent his family out of the United States for their security.

William Cooper was killed by the Apache County Sherrifs Department during a raid on his home in November of 2001.

According to the Sheriff's report, several deputies were positioned outside the Cooper residence to serve a warrant for Aggravated Assault and two counts of endangerment. Cooper had stated numerous times in the past that he would not surrender to law enforcement via his website and shortwave radio.

www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2001/nov/m07-001.shtml
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

"I intervened, brandished a blade, warned the guy to knock it off (which he did), and a bystander called cops who eventually showed up and took him away for assault. I didn't have to take even one swing, and the girl did not receive any more blows."

So a single incident of yours, is enough evidence to prove that merely the threat of force will be sufficient in every situation a police officer encounters?

The problem with your solution is that the police already utilize the threat of violence in an attempt to dissuade suspects from resisting. So what worked for you, and your single incident may not work in every situation police encounter on a daily basis.

"Seven cops (2 cars, 5 motorcycles) were in front of Starbucks this afternoon on Pacific. A street punk sat across the street, looking dirty but minding his own business. Admist casual conversation, I overheard one cop say to another "Give ya $10 to taser that punk over there."

In casual conversation, in public. Out loud. This afternoon."

Was the cop being serious? I make off color jokes all the time, and I don't mean them.

***To the other individual***

"Why do they want a disarmed public? "

Who are you referring to, because if you actually knew any cops, you'd know that most are ardent second amendment right supporters.

"Whether or not you succeed in murdering me, as federal agents murdered Vicki Weaver and her young son in Idaho; or as those same federal agents murdered 81 men, women and children at Waco, Texas; there will be others who will rise up in my memory, as I now rise up in honor of the innocent lives taken by the jack-booted thugs and black-clad imitation ninjas who think it is fun to murder Americans ­ who have somehow become convinced that it is their job to murder Americans!"

Federal law enforcement is a whole 'nother world from local law enforcement - your local police and sheriff's department is locally controlled, by locally elected individuals.

"Today, these documents are considered dangerous by the government, just as King George found them dangerous over 200 years ago."

Which documents have been, can you identify a systematic abuse by police officers of your rights, or can you merely point out a few unrelated incidents?

"According to the Sheriff's report, several deputies were positioned outside the Cooper residence to serve a warrant for Aggravated Assault and two counts of endangerment. Cooper had stated numerous times in the past that he would not surrender to law enforcement via his website and shortwave radio."

Well, oops. Can't say I feel sorry for the idiot, we have a justice system in this country for a reason - if you're charged with a crime, you can't just choose not to obey the legal system.

Your rant is heavy on vitriol, and short on fact. You can make all the allusions to fascism you want, but that really doesn't do a whole lot for me without some facts.

Here's an excerpt from your link:

"EAGER, AZ - William Cooper has been killed and an Apache County
sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.

William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show
broadcast on the Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville,
which receives it via phone from his home in St. Johns.

The deputy, whose name was being withheld by authorities, was
shot twice in the head while trying to arrest Cooper, a state
Department of Public Safety spokesman said today. Cooper was
killed by another officer.

Several deputies were attempting to arrest Cooper, who was armed
with a handgun, said Officer Steve Volden, a spokesman for the
DPS, which was investigating the shooting."
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

n5667,

Police are NOT 2nd Amendment supporters. It is comical for any to claim as much.

Police enforce anti-2nd Amendment laws all day long. They prevent the purchase of a multitude of weapons and ammunition. They even prevent the carrying of Big Brother Approved weaponry, so that we mere mortals are forced to travel unprotected if we leave our homes.

Can I walk down the street with even a piddly .22 in my pocket? Only if I want to live in constant fear of a "concealed weapon" charge stemming from a "pat search incidental to arrest" because some asshole gestapo doesn't like what he thinks I'll do with some protest footage and wants to throw his weight around.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened to me.

Don't even start about the fallacy of Concealed Carry Permits. Anyone who's researched the subject knows it's only County Sherrif's friends, family, and MAJOR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS who ever get approval for these.

And what if I wore that piddly .22 openly in a hip holster, LIKE COPS DO WITH BIG OL .45'S? Just minding my own business.

Oh, the shit that would come my way.

I don't call that "support". I call that active opposition. I don't care what the reason - receiving a paycheck to do someone else's dirty work doesn't make it right, nor absolve one of responsibility for their own actions.

Spare me the crocodile tears. Your NRA membership card only proves that you're playing both sides to ease your guilty conscience.

Yes, we've heard it before. "I'm just doing my job". Yeah, well I'm just LIVING MY LIFE and EXERCISING MY RIGHTS. And your JOB is to RESPECT AND DEFEND THAT.

Once upon a time when America was still a free country, that meant something.

Yeah, the liberals legislators write the laws in California, liberal voters approve them, and liberal judges swing their toy hammers in approval.

But conservative cops choose to enforce them. Love that almighty paycheck, eh? As if it's somehow our fault they never acquired the skills to make a decent living otherwise, so they're entitled to this. Nice liberal logic there, from a bunch of conservatives.

It's a marriage made in hell, these conservative cops and liberal politicians, and civilians pay the price for every cop's cowardice and greed. Get an honest job like the rest of us, and earn your keep without infringing on people's rights.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

"Well, oops. Can't say I feel sorry for the idiot, we have a justice system in this country for a reason - if you're charged with a crime, you can't just choose not to obey the legal system."

Why not? It's called "self defense" from a corrupt legal system with corrupt enforcers.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is history in this country. Victimless crimes, civil asset forfeiture, "street justice" by cops, punitive arrests, false convictions, prison torture, prison rape.. the list goes on.

The result is that the innocent are often punished without conviction, or convicted and punished without having done anything wrong when "illegal" and "wrong" commonly fail to overlap, and even the genuinely guilty are often punished beyond what is legally proscribed and morally deserved.

Tell me, what crimes justify Corcoran State prison guards intentionally placing a small time pot head
alone in a cell with a large, violent gay rapist, as revenge for the victim criticizing the guards?

Why should any innocent person submit to such arbitrary and unpredictable abuse?

Sure, many real criminals could call themselves innocent.

But the system calls many innocent people guilty, and abuses them accordingly. The system is defective. Police are part of the system, and a LARGE part of that abuse.

The Sicilian mafia still enforces their own laws in some cities and countries. Some of those laws are just, some are a bit heavy-handed, and some are unjust outright.

The American Justice mafia is not much different.

Enforcers are no more holy, no more beyond question, and no more beyond resistance, than the laws they enforce. Bad laws are not enforced by good men - that is part of what makes them good men.

Should everyone just decide for themselves what is right and wrong, and let civil society break down into survival of the fittest, natural law, and anarchy, giving rise to arbitrary tribal law and the strong victimizing the weak?

We've already done that. It's where we are today! It's become very centralized and heirarchial, but it has never been just.

Over time new rights flourish while older ones fall out of fashion, but the overall level of injustice committed by the system isn't changing.

And all the while the enforcer leadership keeps its finger on the pulse of the public's pain threshold, wary not to push the cattle so far that the entire herd stampedes at once.

Why should Bill Cooper have submitted to this?

I don't believe Bill Cooper was an idiot. Like he predicted, sooner or later this nation of too many laws found an excuse to come after him for no good goddamn reason.

And as he promised, he fought back. He was tired of the bullshit so he sent his loved ones overseas for their own safety. Then he drew his line in the sand, and when it was crossed he fought back.

Police will shoot and kill civilians even for jaywalking. Bullshit, you say? But police already have their own OFFICIAL term for it. They call it "minimum necessary escalation in the force continuum".

Suppose I refuse to show ID and sign for that ticket. He'll try to take me prisoner.

Suppose I refuse to be arrested for that jaywalking ticket. He'll try to overpower me.

Suppose I successfuly resist being overpowered and arrested for that jaywalking ticket. He'll draw his gun and attempt the arrest again.

Suppose I continue to successfully resist. He'll shoot me. Shooting to kill, emptying his clip into my chest towards my heart as per his official training.

He'll never stop, never back down, never decide that regardless of any validity in the citation a jaywalking ticket is not worth killing someone. He'll just kill me.

For a jaywalking ticket.

I'm not saying it's their first choice. In fact, Im sure it's normally the last thing they want to do. But they are willing to do it, and that is just sick.

It doesn't take much to be killed by police. No capital crime, no horrible victim, no victim at all even.

Just a cop who thinks he has the authority of god, which is most every cop out there.

Same attitude that white supremists had towards blacks in old America, as they enforced "God's law".

Same attitude that the noble class of older Europe once had towards the peasant class, as they enforced "the King's Law".

Now it's the Fraternal Order of Police, as they enforce "the Law".

Same people, different badge.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

"Police will shoot and kill civilians even for jaywalking. Bullshit, you say? But police already have their own OFFICIAL term for it. They call it "minimum necessary escalation in the force continuum"."

How often does this happen?

Yet another post full of vitriol, and light on fact. You need to lay off the colorful, interesting, but completely contentless posts, and try to stick to relevent points.

As for the second amendment rights, many states have concealed carry laws, whether allowing or disallowing concealed weapons is constitutional is something left to the supreme court, but as it stands the people in California vote for those who make the laws, and the police enforce those laws, if the people of california didn't like it, they wouldn't vote.

You see, the police uphold all laws - even the laws you don't like. So whine as much as you want, the simple fact is you can't have everything your way, living in a democracy means you have to make compromises, and live with the fact that not everyone thinks like you.

Cooper was a moron because he broke the laws of his state, that were supported by his fellow citizens, and rather than contest them in court as any civilized individual would do, he was grappled by delusions of grandeur and decided to go out with a bang.

I won't deny that there is abuse carried out by police, but your views are simply too far fetched, and based on your posts, I can only assume that your beliefs have no factual grounding.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

First, for "observant," very intelligent post by the way, but I disagree with your comment. I was refering to a previous post where this individual was, in my opinion, stereotyping.

Second, reading Cooperite's ridulous rant gave me a headache.

Dude... I've never been so happy for laws, especially concealed weapon's laws because I know idiots like you probably roam the streets. You're they type of person who unlawfully carries a gun because you don't believe in the U.S.' "corrupt legal system." So when the cops search you after stoping you for jaywalking, because you don't believe in the "corrupt legal system," then they'll throw your ass in jail, for unlawfully carrying a gun, where you probably belong. Actually, I'd be you're probably at Corcoran right now reading this. How else would you know about a pot head getting thrown into a cell with a rapist? I haven't heard that on bad cop, no donut.

Although Cooperite, I'm sure you will "successfully resist" one of these days when a cop tries to enforce an unjust law like jaywalking. You'll fight so much that a cop will say, "alright, you win... no ticket for you." If you fight a cop, don't be surprised that you'll feel pain. They don't get paid to get hurt or killed because you don't believe in laws.

By the way, what is so wrong with the jaywalking law? Why is it so difficult to cross the street at a crosswalk? When I'm driving I hate having to stop for these idiots and risk getting rear-ended.

And Cooperite, out of curiousity, what laws do you believe in, if any? I know its definitely not any weapons laws.

If you hate laws, don't bitch at cops because they're not writing them, their job is the enforce them. Also, I looked at the state penal and vehicle code, and I didn't see one law that made me want to run for the mountains because of how unjust it was. Federal laws are a different story, ex. FCC, but cops don't deal with that. Like it was previously mentioned, cops and federal law enforcement agencies, like the FBI or DEA, work in two different worlds.

If your pissed off at these laws, yell at your elected officials. They're the ones enacting them. I think most cops are doing the right thing, but most people are so self-centered that they will never have any sense of accountability.

Finally, this is for "encountering violence's" post. After reading that you seem like a regular super hero. I just want to know one thing, say that dude who was smacking a girl around came after you, would you have stabbed him? Or would you have run away because you'd get your ass kicked? Cops don't get paid to run away from danger.

LAW ENFORCEMENT ROCKS... GOD BLESS THEM!!!
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

You seem to be missing the point here Huh.
This show (Bad Cop, No Donut) deals with corrupt officers. I've stated numerous times that I don't really have a problem, and I think this is true of most folks, with HONEST, TOLERANT, and DECENT officers who uphold the integrity of their post. My beef, and its very legitimate since I've been a victim numerous times of DWB, selective enforcement and outright harassment, is with the LIARS, RAPISTS, and RACIST VIOLENT THUGS who somehow found their way into the police system, thus further perpetuating the myth that all cops are bad. Not all cops are bad, but there definately are way too many who get away with this shit. The culture of protecting ones own is also a big part of this problem. If my co-worker is stealing, cheating, lying, or otherwise abusing the public trust I would try to do something about it. This is not the case in police departments. Just ask any officer what would happen to him/her if they testified against another officer, even an obviously guilty one. Most likely the response wouldn't be favorable, and this is exactly the problem. Too much looking out for "their own" istead of looking out for the public trust.

This is the purpose of BCND, to bring awareness to the abuses that happen everyday worldwide. The host, Ron Andich, only takes stories from local mainstream media sources that usually don't recieve much attention outside of their local area. Individually, these are not huge events, but when taken in the context of a state or country the extent of police abuse and corruption becomes quite clear.

Finally, you never responded as to whether or not you actually listened to the show. I'm just curious because, as a journalist, I feel that not only is it a well produced show, but that its content is amazingly well researched and presented. Its hard work doing a daily or weekly show and Ron has done this very well.
 

Re: FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!

If you dowhat the police tell you, you won't get hurt. I was stopped because my car looked like one that was involved in a robbery. I was taken out of my car by gun point, I did what I was told, then released without a scratch when they figured out that I was not the robber.

I'm sure if I had acted like an ass, they would have shot me, especially is I ran toward them yelling some crazy shit.
 

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