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This Wednesday Hiroshima Day Die-In at SC Town clock

Santa Cruz Nuclear Abolition Committee gathering with all who are moved at 5pm at Collateral Damage Statue (Santa Cruz downtown clock) for Die-In for Hiroshinma Day
"No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people" Howard Zinn

Hiroshima Day - August 6
Die-in at Collateral Damage Statue(town clock) downtown Santa Cruz 5pm.
Instigated by the Nuclear Abolition Committee
Contact Lily 423 8091

Bring cranes, bring songs, bring hearts, bring hope, bring peace

Mother's Day for Peace Since 1872
for all the broken-hearted boys who sit in power places...

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Re: This Wednesday Hiroshima Day Die-In at SC Town clock

and I thought I was a nerd.............

Re: This Wednesday Hiroshima Day Die-In at SC Town clock

Stewart you *are* a nerd.

I just watched a video about Albert Einstein (available at the central branch of the public library) which along with a brief discussion of the bomb's development and Einstein's eventual opposition to it, contains a clip of one of the pilots who dropped it on the Japanese.

He's a Clark Gable lookalike in an airforce uniform with a drawl and a strange smile who talks about the clouds opening up..." when I dropped the bomb on the target...that was my greatest thrill..." (strange smile).

One can only wonder. During a recent discussion I was told that since that time there have been "1000 feet of books written" debating whether the dropping of the bomb saved lives. No amount of discussion could persuade my conversational partner that this question had ever been solved.

One of the scientists who had worked on the development of the atomic bomb (sorry I do not remember his name) stated in the above mentioned video that "We never wanted the bomb dropped on a Japanese City. We wanted it dropped (elsewhere, one assumes somewhere where it would do less harm) as a demonstration". He goes on to say that after WWII the "Emergency Committee of Atomic Scientists" (nominally headed by Einstein) formed to stop the development and use of this destructive (and cheap notes Linus Pauling..."One of the cheapest ways there is to kill people") bomb. The same un-named scientist commented, that this endeavor became useless "of course, after the Hydrogen bomb was developed".

How we forget history

It amuses me that people would argue that Washington's bombing of Japan was necessary to save lives from further Japanese attacks, when it was Washington that provoked Japan by blockading the island of Japan to prevent oil tankers from reaching the otherwise petroleum-starved nation.

"Self defense", my ass. An aggressor nation, such as America, has no right to self defense when those attacking it are the real victims.

I'm not anti-American. I would be a patriot, if my countrymen weren't so dishonest.

Re: How we forget History


Yeah, of course you're leaving out what led up to the cut off of oil to Japan, their attacks on China. Have you ever heard of Manchuko? The Japanese Empire once controlled a good portion of China. They siezed it for it's resources. Ever hear of the "Greater South East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere"? It was the Japanese plan for taking over things like Indonesia's oil, etc. How about the "Rape of Nanking"? The Japanese military killed about as many people as the A-bombs did, but they did it up close and personal, usually with bayonets. And yes, they also raped women. But now you revisionists make it sound like Japan was just sitting there eating sushi and the big bad Imperialists attacked! Guess what, Japan was an Empire in every sense of the word. They still have an emperor today, though Hirohito had to renounce his divinity as one of the terms of the surrender.

Re: This Wednesday Hiroshima Day Die-In at SC Town clock

Calling yourself a historian is a bit presumptuous, especially considering how blatantly biased you are.

Re: This Wednesday Hiroshima Day Die-In at SC Town clock

According to my research the Japanese were developing 'Kantai Kessen Plan' while the Americans had 'Plan Orange'. As the Americans had the upper hand the Kantai Kessen Plan relied on a surprise first strike. This preceded Pearl harbor.

The Japanese navy (including Admiral Yamamoto who is said to have originated the Pearl Harbor Strategy) was opposed to war with the Americans. Yamamoto considered the production cacpacity of the Americans to be insurmountable. It was the Japanese army, heavily involved in China, which was the major advocate.

In 1941, after with the movement of the Japanese army into French Indochina, the Americans stopped exporting oil and steel to Japan. This was seen in Japan as a major blow to it's ability to defend itself against the American navy. Prime Minister Konoye and the navy attempted to make a deal with the Americans. FDR refused. At this point the Konoye government was overthrown by the army and a new form (US naval forces having moved from San Diego to Pearl Harbor) of the Kantai Kessen Plan was carried out.


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