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Anti-terrorist fence is saving lives

This report is from the Israeli government and was distributed on July 5, 2004. It documents the number of Israelis killed or wounded in attacks originating from the West Bank for 2003 and 2004. The data is further divided by those areas that are behind the completed portions of Israel's controversial security fence and those who were in areas where the fence has not yet been completed. The results are better than anyone could have imagined. So far, for 2004 there have been NO DEATHS and NO ONE INJURED for those areas where the fence has been completed. I don't like the wall/fence/barrier. I wish there was no need for it. I would greatly have preferred a politial and negotiated end to the conflict, but I realize the need for it exists to save lives. Perhaps some day the barrier can come down. I really think it is up to the Palestinian people to vanquish the terror groups that are operating within their midst and cynically recruiting their own children to be used in propaganda wars against Israel.

For peace activists who pray for a day when the violence will end, this should be good news. A passive resistance method does seem to be working to end the violence. Furthermore, with the fence up, many of the IDF checkpoint within the West Bank can be dismantled allowing Palestinians more freedom of movement within their communities.

I welcome anyone to post any data that refutes this data or can show that this data is in error.
Message from the Israeli Government:

The Anti-terrorist Fence Saves Lives
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In recent months there has been a dramatic decrease in the number of attacks by Palestinian terrorist organizations, statistics show.

Attacks in 2003: for areas protected by a completed fence -- 46 deaths 221 wounded
for areas unprotected -- 89 deaths 411 wounded

Attacks in 2004 (Jan - June '04 only)
in areas protected by fence -- 0 deaths 0 wounded
in areas unprotected by fence -- 19 deaths 102 wounded

This trend does not arise from a lessening of the desire of the terrorist organizations to perpetrate attacks, or from an effort by the Palestinian Authority to prevent them, but only from Israel's decision to construct an anti-terrorist fence and its war against the the terrorist organizations and their infrastructure.

It is especially significant that, wherever the fence has been completed, the terrorist organizations have not succeeded in crossing it.

The security fence is fulfilling its only purpose: saving lives.

The lives of many Israelis have already been spared as a direct result from the establishment of the anti-terrorist fence.
 
 


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Re: Anti-terrorist fence is saving lives

your kidding right?
lets put a smiley face on colonialism why don't we?
and after we try this in isreal, we can try it at home - want to get rid of those pesky homless people, put a fence around them -do what you will with them, and no one will be the wiser.
out of sight, out of mind.
those gas chambers were much to overt - we need something subtle.
those brown skin people won't be bothering us anymore!
in fact - why not put up advertisements on the wall as well?
why the fuck not. (don't want the isreali settlers to pay for it now do we?)
coca-cola could put their ad's all over it (hell, they pay for the bulldozers -not to mention the murdering of columian workers)
so yea, put up another wall, burn that damn pink floyd album, and say bye-bye to the palestinians.
they will now be another endangered species.
this is our 'final solution'
 

Re: Anti-terrorist fence is saving lives

Well, I suppose if those colonised people stopped blowing the Israelies up, the Isrealis might feel inclined to take the fence down...
 

Re: Anti-terrorist fence is saving lives

Whose got the power in the Middle East? Whose got the ability to make concessions? The Government of Israel.
 

Re: Anti-terrorist fence is saving lives

"This report is from the Israeli government.."

Now that's what I call an independent, unbiased, source of information!!
 

What FACTS do you have that dispute the report?

Reply to Sarcasm: There is no independent unbiased report. The only way to truly understand an issue or subject is to read information on all sides. The Israeli govt. has reported data showing that--aside from any other effect the security barrier has had---it has foiled Palestinian attacks by suicide bombers and other kinds of attacks against the Israeli civilian population. While I understand your point of view is that Israel is a capitalistic colonial military occupation of indigenous Palestinian land, its OCCASIONALLY helpful to look at the DATA the other side is presenting.
 

Its David and Goliath all over again

Reply to Reality: Here is some reality for you.
World Islamic Population: 1.3 billion
World Christian Population 2 billion
World Jewish Population 14 million
Israel's Jewish population: 5 million

The Arabs have 50 times as many people as the Israelis
The Arabs have 800 times as much land
The Arabs have extensive oil reserves
The Arabs do not have a single democracy in 21 countries


the Arab population in Israel:
1949 160,000
2000 1,215,000


Only two Arab countries have recognized the existance of Israel and have peace treaties--Jordan and Egypt.

While every Israeli, male or female is required to serve in the army, and a huge portion of Israel's budget is devoted towards security efforts, this is justified given the level of threat which Israel has faced from its birth.

Most people believe Israel also has nuclear weapons. Israel has announced it has nuclear submarines. No other country in the world needs its military more than Israel.

No one can argue that Israel hasn't been attacked, continues to be attacked, and must defend itself from future attacks. You are basically arguing about the degree of protection Israel puts up while the Israelis are in a fight for their very survival.

Who has the power in the mideast?
Its David and Goliath all over again.
 

The Jews are not Nazis

JR: YOU WROTE: "colonialism" "gas chambers" "brown skin people" "isreali settlers" " bulldozers " murdering of ... workers" 'final solution'

Since the Jewish people were murdered in gas chambers, displaced by German settlers, and subject to Hitler's final solution ---isn't it clever of you to use those terms to describe the Jews. The very people who suffered FOR REAL these abuses. Your ironic pen O'henry caliber.

But you're an idiot!

A life is more important than a house.
As a homeless advocate I believe that saving a homeless person's life is more important than getting him a house. I obviously believe in getting a homeless person housing.

Thats how I see the Wall/fence/security barrier Israel is building. Its purpose is to save lives. The Israeli Supreme Court just ruled the fence is legal. The court also ordered changes in the route to minimize Palesinian suffering. Israel is not this monster out genociding the hapless Palestinians who they don't like because they have dark skin.
 

World Court says Israel's barrier must go

Just save the rheoric, Becky... as we all know, Reuters *and* the World Court are all a part of the anti-Jewish conspiracy, but I digress.... (note to reader, look up the word, "sarcasm" in the dictionary)

World Court says Israel's barrier must go
Fri 9 July, 2004 16:58

By Emma Thomasson

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - The World Court says Israel's barrier in the West Bank should be torn down and called on the United Nations to stop a project it said had illegally imposed hardship on thousands of Palestinians.

In a non-binding opinion hailed by Palestinians and rejected by Israel, the court said on Friday the barrier violated international humanitarian law and could presage the annexation of territory occupied by the Jewish state in the 1967 Middle East war.

The ruling could heighten Israel's concern about sanctions although its key ally the United States has vetoed Security Council resolutions against the Jewish state in the past.

Washington dismissed the U.N. court's intervention and the American on the 15-judge panel wrote a dissenting opinion.

"The wall ... cannot be justified by military exigencies or by the requirements of national security or public order," said Judge Shi Jiuyong of China as he read out the ruling.

"The construction of such a wall accordingly constitutes breaches by Israel of its obligations under the applicable international humanitarian law."

"The court considers that the construction of the wall and its associate regime creates a 'fait accompli' on the ground that could well become permanent, in which case ... it would be tantamount to de facto annexation," the court said.

"That construction ... thus severely impeded the exercise by the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination."

Shi said: "The court is of the view that the United Nations and especially the General Assembly and the Security Council should consider what further action is required to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall."

ISRAEL OUTRAGED

A senior adviser to Palestinian President Yasser Arafat said "as of today Israel should be viewed as an outlaw state".

"The next step is to approach the U.N. General Assembly and Security Council to adopt resolutions that will isolate and punish Israel," Nabil Abu Rdainah told Reuters.

Israel dismissed the decision: "It fails to address the essence of the problem and the very reason for building the fence -- Palestinian terror," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Yoni Peled. "If there were no terror, there would be no fence."

Palestinians say the barrier, which curves around Jewish settlements, is a precursor to annexation of land Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war and where they seek a viable state under the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan.

The court acknowledged Israel's duty to protect its citizens but said it must do so within the law and should compensate Palestinians for homes and land lost or damaged by the building of the 100-metre (yard) wide strip of walls, ditches and fences.

Twists and turns of the barrier deviating from the Israel-West Bank boundary have trapped thousands of Palestinians in enclaves cut off from olive and citrus groves, schools, markets, public services and West Bank cities.

U.S. VETO?

Palestinians tend to enjoy considerable support at the United Nations. But Israel looks to the U.S. veto in the Security Council to block any bid to punish it in the way that apartheid South Africa was after the World Court ruled its occupation of South West Africa, now Namibia, illegal in 1971.

A spokesman for U.S. President George W. Bush brushed aside the ruling. He said the World Court, formally the International Court of Justice, was not the right place to settle the matter.

"This is an issue that should be resolved through the process that has been put in place, specifically the road map," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The U.N. General Assembly requested an opinion in December and the Hague court, the U.N.'s top legal body held hearings in February overshadowed by public lobbying from both sides.

The judgement was expected to be one of the most closely monitored in the 58-year history of the World Court and attested to paralysis in Middle East peacemaking after years of violence.

Israeli officials say the barrier, about a third of whose planned more than 600-km (370-mile) length has been built since 2002, has already prevented dozens of suicide bomb attacks. Such bombers have killed hundreds of Israelis.

"We will abide by the ruling of our own High Court and not the panel in The Hague with judges from the European Union who are not suspected of being particularly disposed toward Israel," Justice Minister Yosef Lapid said earlier on Friday.

Five of the 15 judges are from the European Union.

Last week Israel's top court ordered one segment of the barrier re-routed to avoid cutting off Palestinian villagers from farms, jobs, public services and cities but ruled Israel had a right to build it in the West Bank on security grounds.
 

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