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Calling a Nazi a Nazi

Anyone who has studied the history of the Nazis would be hard pressed to differentiate between a Nazi and a Neoconservative.
The Neocons embrace the ideals of fascism and despise the ideals of democracy. They are suppressing any form of dissent , free speech or justice as demonstrated in the cases of Ward Churchill and Lynne Stewart. They have deployed a finely tuned propaganda machine made to manufacture consent. They commit crimes against humanity using depleted uranium munitions an act of genocide every bit as evil as the gas chambers. They torture and imprison people in concentration camps without charge. They have started a war of aggression and are guilty of all the crimes the Nazis were tried for at Nuremberg. They control the minds of the people with a steady flow of nationalist and religious brainwashing. They have a leader who is intellectually challenged, immature, mentally unstable and completely out of touch with reality.

So when are people going to wake up and start calling these Nazis Nazis? I'd like to think before New York is fire bombed like Dresden, but I'm not holding my breath. Isn't it time the left got some balls and went on the offensive against the Nazi party? We need to out these Nazis before they completely shred what's left of the constitution, make it illegal to call them Nazis, and start rounding up dissidents sending them to the concentration camps. Sound far fetched? well maybe if you're completely ignorant.

The greatest and perhaps the only weakness the Neocons have is being outed as Nazis. Better do something now before we too are silenced and sent to the gas chambers. The German people ignored what was being done in their names because they were too busy enjoying their prosperity and they allowed their leaders to gain too much power through fear. Sound familiar?

I leave you with some quotes from people much wiser than I

"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight Eisenhower

"Loss of freedom seldom happens overnight. Oppression doesn't stand on the doorstep with toothbrush mustache and swastika armband-it creeps up insidiously . . . step by step, and all of a sudden the unfortunate citizen realizes that it is gone." Baron Lane

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." Martin Niemoeller

"The future isn't between violence and nonviolence, it's between nonviolence and non-existence." Gandhi

"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." Aesop, Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC)

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" Gandhi

"Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." Hermann Goering

"It's come to the point where you can read in the most sober respectable journals warnings by the leading strategic analysts that the current American posture--transformation of the military--is raising the prospect of what they call "ultimate doom" and not very far away." Noam Chomsky

"We have a substantial minority in the US that hasn't advanced much beyond the baboon. These ignorant folk are full of hatred, which is why they are currently rejecting evolution and going back to the stone age with torture, killing innocent people, attacking countries that have done us no harm." Gore Vidal

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Re: Calling a Nazi a Nazi

The author of this article is Squig.

Messenger saw this article late last night, and with some good cold medication and a desire to get it done quickly was not aware that Squig's name was not attached. Messenger appologizes profusely. It was not an attempt of plagiarism, simply a stupid mistake.

Messenger's goal is to help get good material out to the public in an era of Bushite media control, as the article mentions.

I am very sorry and ashamed that this happened.

The Nazis were far worse!!

"They are suppressing any form of dissent..."

BECKY: If that were true, Michael Moore would either be in jail or dead.

"They commit crimes against humanity using depleted uranium munitions an act of genocide every bit as evil as the gas chambers."

BECKY: NO! Depleted uranium is stupid, short-sighted, environmentally unsound, hazardous, and done to save money. The gas chambers were systemized-assembly-line genocide of millions. The gas chambers were FAR worse than the use of DU weapons.

"They torture and imprison people in concentration camps without charge.."

BECKY: Last I heard, the neocons were outsourcing their torture. the Nazis had no qualms about doing it themselves. Guantanomo bay has about 300 prisoners. The Nazis imprisoned over 6 million. Similar, but the scope of the Nazi repression was hugely greater.

"are guilty of all the crimes the Nazis were tried for at Nuremberg"

BECKY: Again. overstatement. Where are the gas chambers? Where are the lampshades made out of human skin? Where are the piles of gold teeth yanked from their victims? I am NOT saying the Neocons haven't broken serious laws (the unprovoked attack on Iraq was a war crime in my book) but we have not even come close to what the Nazi's did.

I agree that with Bush in the White House, we are in great danger due to the "cowboy" politics of war he is so quick to resort to. We need to oppose, expose, and protest EVERY act they do that violates the constitution, restricts our liberties, our freedoms, or is headed down the wrong road.

But we undermine our own credibility by making charges that are simply not supported by facts.

Re: Calling a Nazi a Nazi

BECKY JOHNSON SAYS: "we undermine our own credibility by making charges that are simply not supported by facts"
but she recycles the unsubstantiated myth "Where are the lampshades made out of human skin?" Yeah, where are they indeed - entirely in the figment of the imagination of propagandists for the invasion of Palestine.
BECKY SAYS: "Guantanomo bay has about 300 prisoners. The Nazis imprisoned over 6 million. Similar, but the scope of the Nazi repression was hugely greater."
Yeah. She admits they are basically the same.

Missing The Point of This Article

The point of this article is that we need to recognize the fascist policies of this regime *while we still may be able to do something.* Of course we haven't gotten to the point of mass slaughters -- in *our* country, that is!

The Nazis didn't start killing off people until *after* they had gained control of the citizens by outlawing assemblies of people, the free press and arresting persons *suspected* of treason in 1933. How did Hitler accomplish this? By getting the Reichstag (House of Congress) to agree to suspend civil liberties predicated on "security concerns" after a fire at the Reichstag Building. This part of his plan was accomplished a full five years before Kristallnact in 1938!

Does this ring a bell for anyone??

I've pondered many times about how the Holocaust could have been prevented and the answer I always come up with is that Hitler needed to be put in check. Although he was a strong leader, this very well could have happened early on, before 1933.

"The greatest and perhaps the only weakness the Neocons have is being outed as Nazis. Better do something now before we too are silenced and sent to the gas chambers. The German people ignored what was being done in their names because they were too busy enjoying their prosperity and they allowed their leaders to gain too much power through fear. Sound familiar?" -Squig(?)

You're right on. The government already has "electronic leashes" ready for all of us.

As much as the Cheney regime would like us to think so, we are not domesticated animals. We must resist this and other unethical forms of control.

Re: Calling a Nazi a Nazi

"Of course we haven't gotten to the point of mass slaughters -- in *our* country, that is! "

Yes, such a minor, inconvenient detail. The mass slaughter of innocent Iraqi citizens continues by terrorists that yearn to return to the good old days of previous elections when Hussein would win 110% of the vote.

I agree that fascism must be stopped BEFORE a holocaust

I agree with Peace Child. We must stop fascist and Nazis BEFORE they burn down Congress and build the ovens.

Some of the Nazi policies in the early '30's was to sweep homeless people off the streets in order to make Germany LOOK more prosperous.

So to stop fascism in Santa Cruz, opposing the Sleeping Ban and the downtown ordinances would be a good start.

I am certainly opposed to many aspects of the Patriot Act---especially the suspension of the rights to know the charges against you when you are arrested, the right to a speedy trial, the right to a lawyer ---and not just for US citizens either!!

for me I use the 9/11 test.

If this law (or restriction on freedoms) had been passed PRIOR to 9/11, would it have prevented it?

NONE of the "reforms" Bush pushed thru Congress pass this test. The only reform, that COULD have prevented 9/11 were locks on cockpit doors!

Re: Calling a Nazi a Nazi

So I will take that as an admission by Becky Johnson that she has no ability to contest that she cannot deny that the nature of the Israeli-American war on Muslims is the same as Nazism, except for the scope. She admits she has no ability to deny it, because it is true. There is no difference between Nazism and the U.S.Israel war on Palestine and Iraq, except for scope and timing.  

Re: Calling a Nazi a Nazi

The Palestinians have a totalitarian governmental structure.

Criticism of its leadership (i.e. Arafat) is forbidden, and there is no free press.

Dissenters may be arrested or subject to violence.

The press propagates classic hatred of Jews, including racial stereotypes, Holocaust denial, and racist anti-Jewish rhetoric reminiscent of the Nazi era.

The school system teaches even the youngest children to hate not only Israel but the Jewish people, and to believe that Jews are the reason for the evils of all humanity.

Shedding the blood of defenseless civilians, like the grandfather of the birthday girl in Hadera or the five-year-old girl in Adora shot in her mother's arms, is considered a mark of honor and an occasion for celebration.

Even little children are taught to honor and admire suicide bombers, and Palestinian society thinks it praiseworthy to use its own children as human bombs.

And as we have seen, the Palestinian leadership itself makes no real secret of its rejection of peace and its desire to annihilate the State of Israel. It even has a plan for this, its own "final solution," the "Phased Plan," which it has never renounced and which even very recently it has reaffirmed to its people.

And people say the JEWS are acting like Nazis!

And consider this editorial printed in an Egyptian paper

Read this and then tell me who are acting like Nazis. These are not MY words. These are words published in an Arab press.

From: the Egyptian government daily Al-Akhbar (and remember that the Egyptian press prints only what its government approves).

(Note: this column is by no means exceptional. Consult for a very lengthy sampling of officially sanctioned Arab anti-Semitism. Much of what has appeared in the Arab press has been inspired by Nazi sources.)


By Fatma Abdallah Mahmoud

Al-Akhbar, April 29, 2002

They are accursed in heaven and on earth. They are accursed from the day the human race was created and from the day their mothers bore them. They are accursed also because they murdered the Prophets. They murdered the Prophet John the Baptist and served up his head on a golden platter to the singer and dancer Salome. Allah also cursed them with a thousand curses when they argued with and resisted his words of truth, deceived the Prophet Moses, and worshiped the golden calf that they created with their own hands!!

These accursed ones are a catastrophe for the human race. They are the virus of the generation, doomed to a life of humiliation and wretchedness until Judgment Day. They are also accursed because they repeatedly tried to murder the Prophet Muhammad. They threw a stone at him, but missed. Another time, they tried to mix poison in his food, but providence saved him from their treachery and their crimes. Allah cursed them when they carried out the criminal massacre of the peaceful Palestinians in Sabra and Shatilla. [Note: Those massacres were committed not by Jews but by Lebanese Christians.]

They are accursed, they, their fathers, and their forefathers... until Judgment Day, because they burst into Al-Aqsa Mosque with their defiled, filthy feet and violated its sanctity.

Finally, they are accursed, fundamentally, because they are the plague of the generation and the bacterium of all time. Their history always was and always will be stained with treachery, falseness, and lying. Historical documents prove it.

Thus, the Jews are accursed - the Jews of our time, those who preceded them and those who will come after them, if any Jews come after them.

With regard to the fraud of the Holocaust... Many French studies have proven that this is no more than a fabrication, a lie, and a fraud!! That is, it is a 'scenario' the plot of which was carefully tailored, using several faked photos completely unconnected to the truth. Yes, it is a film, no more and no less. Hitler himself, whom they accuse of Nazism, is in my eyes no more than a modest 'pupil' in the world of murder and bloodshed. He is completely innocent of the charge of frying them in the hell of his false Holocaust!!

The entire matter, as many French and British scientists and researchers have proven, is nothing more than a huge Israeli plot aimed at extorting the German government in particular and the European countries in general. But I, personally and in light of this imaginary tale, complain to Hitler, even saying to him from the bottom of my heart, "If only you had done it, brother, if only it had really happened, so that the world could sigh in relief [without] their evil and sin."

Since their birth, the Jews [have amassed] hatred and hostility towards Islam and the Muslims. They have always laid traps for the Muslims, woven conspiracies and crimes against them, and been biased in favor of their enemies and occupiers...

They always try to warp and distort everything fair and beautiful!! Basically, they are a model of moral ugliness, debasement, and degradation. If only Allah would curse them more and more, to the end of all generations. Amen.

Re: Calling a Nazi a Nazi

BECKY wrote that gas chambers were worse than using depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium will still be lethal 4.5 BILLION (not million) years from now, or almost up to the time the sun goes NOVA and incinerates the three closest planets, including Earth.

Apples and Oranges

Gee, Utopia, you got me on that one. I don't even KNOW the half life of genociding 6 million Jews!

DU weapons (which I am on record opposing their use)kill the first time when they are shot, and kill and maim the second time when they cause disease. But I don't know if you can reasonably compare it to the Nazi holocaust.

The motives to use DU weapons are: use up nuclear waste, save money, have some kind of military advantage in the field. Deleterious health effects for generations to come is not even on their radar screen. (reckless endangerment?)

The motives to genocide the Jews were to eliminate an entire people from the face of the earth by murdering millions and millions of people methodically, coldly, for racist and economic reasons.


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