You originally said, "Hey,... this sentiment is straight out of the zionist mind-control handbook. They're the main advocates pushing to do this, because this way they can silence their critics."
You didn't even name the ADL (or other organizations for that matter) specifically, yet somehow expected me to infer you did. But never mind that, because when I retorted "your description is a product of the paranoid anti-Zionist mindset", I was referring to your unfounded certainty that "this way" "they" "can silence their critics", AND to how you were falsely branding their effort to promote anti-hate crimes legislation as "Zionist mind-control". I'm not into deceit here. Again, you've scored no victory other than within your hateful mind. And again, you're projecting your creepy subterfuge onto me. You've been cunningly conflating the ADL efforts at snuffing out antisemitic hate crimes with snuffing out the ADL critics' voices. This crap won't work on me and many others.
As far as I recall, the ADL consists of non-Zionist members too. So it's not really a Zionist organization -- at least not in its express purpose -- but rather a Jewish one.
I admit I hadn't read the ADL webpage you linked to. Now that I have, it's quite revealing! It only serves to reinforce the fact you're full of lying s**t as usual. The excerpts you gleaned above -- I don't know from which link therein -- don't even remotely prove your "case" that the ADL has been trying to gag its critics through the promotion of anti-hate crimes legislation. You're a lying sicko who knows he's lying, but you keep standing by your lies so you could say the last word. That's what your latest protestations are about. You're not only essentially pathologically mendacious, you're also pathologically racist. Like I said on another thread where you juxtaposed the Zionists against the goyim, you're an antisemite masquerading as a bona fide anti-Zionist. A non-antisemitic anti-Zionist critic of Israel would never make that juxtaposition. I've already reiterated on a few IMCs that not any and all opposition to Israel are antisemitic nor does anti-Zionism equal antisemitism. As I asserted on the other thread, I've debated and read posts by staunch anti-Zionist critics of Israel, the Israeli governments and Israel's might, and acknowledge that many of them aren't antisemitic, despite what you would have everybody believe here. I have labelled you an antisemite because of your racism, not due to your opposition to Zionism and Israel. Now really, I don't give a damn how you regard my opinion of you as a racist now that you've proven you'll stay that course come what may. Also, I'm not kidding myself you can be silenced nor would I deliberately try to strip you of your freedom of speech, though I would feel amply rewarded had I known any habitually lying anti-Zionist or antisemite decided to stop spouting at least one particular lie due to my rebuttals.
As Becky Johnson has repeatedly pointed out, your alias is a goddamn joke. Much of what you say couldn't be further from the truth, unless you mean your own ideological brand of Truth with a capital T. Here's a collection of your laughable statements:
~ "I've noticed that zionists always ALWAYS fall back on this 'anti-zionism = anti-Semitism' death-ray when facing determined opposition."
(Not even true in this IMC).
~ "zionists are insane ideologues whose paramount ideal is Israel's continued existence; every other value, including truthfulness, is martyred that this one might live..."
(Two hilarious statements in one.)
~ "Zionism is an organic system of delusions, essentially a zealous fundamentalist religion, and you believe fervently in all of it."
(Just too laughable to refute. And no, O psychic, your characterization of me doesn't do what I believe justice).
~ "It's not that you employ this 'anti-zionism = anti-Semitism' equation...; YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT."
(I've already demolished this crap.)
~ "Your fervent (fervid, actually) belief in this particular fallacy is motivated by its convenience to the larger envelope of assumptions you accept without question, which by the way can be summed up as straightforward racism carried almost to the point of paranoid psychosis, complete with delusions of grandeur."
(Nice prose and syntax but remarkably off the mark tripe.)
~ "So. You believe absolutely in this 'anti-zionism = anti-Semitism' fallacy, as do zionists in general"
(Wrong on both counts and ridiculous of course.)
~ "Zionism has become the centerpiece of ethnic advocacy among Jews, which is what ADL has always represented."
(No, the ADL has not always represented it.)
Let the reader make no mistake, YOU're the one repeatedly insisting that I posit and fervently believe the false equation anti-Zionism = antisemitism. Therefore, when I assert the ADL "struggles to suppress antisemitism", I'm maintaining something quite different than your stubborn claim that it "struggles to suppress opposition to Israel,".
Your contention that "By screaming "anti-Semite!" at me just because I don't like Israel [lie], you've made my point for me that suppressing anti-zionism is integral to and inseperable from the ADL's efforts to suppress anti-Semitism [you're confusing your personal opinion -- a factually wrong one at that -- for a fact]." is bunk logic since it's premised on a few logical fallacies as I've shown. You're truly an accomplished bullshit artist.
As far as religion goes, I'd say that fanatical anti-Zionism of the antisemitic stripe that you happen to subscribe to seems a lot more of a religion that Zionism.
Whether or not you hate Jews in particular doesn't detract from the reality you're antisemitic.
You represent virtually all that you loath: weak-mindedness, dishonesty, stupidity, bigotry, racism, paranoia, deceitfulness, violence on cyber, sleaziness, silencing ideological opponents by saying the last word at any cost, tendency toward insanity, lying, delusions, zealous fundamentalist-like ideological hostility, impossible to reach, typical of religionists, assumptions accepted without question, grandeur delusions, psychosis, reactionary. Hope I've missed nothing...
In effect, you're one hell of a projecting machine.
I don't have anything to add about 9-11 to what has already been said on this topic.
As long as the US Left tolerates racists like you, it'll remain in its current duldrums, and the American far Left for sure will never win the hearts of a substantial percentage of the population.
Re: "I'll connect the itsy-twitsy little dots for you..."
Date Edited: 02 Feb 2005 01:45:21 AM
You didn't even name the ADL (or other organizations for that matter) specifically, yet somehow expected me to infer you did. But never mind that, because when I retorted "your description is a product of the paranoid anti-Zionist mindset", I was referring to your unfounded certainty that "this way" "they" "can silence their critics", AND to how you were falsely branding their effort to promote anti-hate crimes legislation as "Zionist mind-control". I'm not into deceit here. Again, you've scored no victory other than within your hateful mind. And again, you're projecting your creepy subterfuge onto me. You've been cunningly conflating the ADL efforts at snuffing out antisemitic hate crimes with snuffing out the ADL critics' voices. This crap won't work on me and many others.
As far as I recall, the ADL consists of non-Zionist members too. So it's not really a Zionist organization -- at least not in its express purpose -- but rather a Jewish one.
I admit I hadn't read the ADL webpage you linked to. Now that I have, it's quite revealing! It only serves to reinforce the fact you're full of lying s**t as usual. The excerpts you gleaned above -- I don't know from which link therein -- don't even remotely prove your "case" that the ADL has been trying to gag its critics through the promotion of anti-hate crimes legislation. You're a lying sicko who knows he's lying, but you keep standing by your lies so you could say the last word. That's what your latest protestations are about. You're not only essentially pathologically mendacious, you're also pathologically racist. Like I said on another thread where you juxtaposed the Zionists against the goyim, you're an antisemite masquerading as a bona fide anti-Zionist. A non-antisemitic anti-Zionist critic of Israel would never make that juxtaposition. I've already reiterated on a few IMCs that not any and all opposition to Israel are antisemitic nor does anti-Zionism equal antisemitism. As I asserted on the other thread, I've debated and read posts by staunch anti-Zionist critics of Israel, the Israeli governments and Israel's might, and acknowledge that many of them aren't antisemitic, despite what you would have everybody believe here. I have labelled you an antisemite because of your racism, not due to your opposition to Zionism and Israel. Now really, I don't give a damn how you regard my opinion of you as a racist now that you've proven you'll stay that course come what may. Also, I'm not kidding myself you can be silenced nor would I deliberately try to strip you of your freedom of speech, though I would feel amply rewarded had I known any habitually lying anti-Zionist or antisemite decided to stop spouting at least one particular lie due to my rebuttals.
As Becky Johnson has repeatedly pointed out, your alias is a goddamn joke. Much of what you say couldn't be further from the truth, unless you mean your own ideological brand of Truth with a capital T. Here's a collection of your laughable statements:
~ "I've noticed that zionists always ALWAYS fall back on this 'anti-zionism = anti-Semitism' death-ray when facing determined opposition."
(Not even true in this IMC).
~ "zionists are insane ideologues whose paramount ideal is Israel's continued existence; every other value, including truthfulness, is martyred that this one might live..."
(Two hilarious statements in one.)
~ "Zionism is an organic system of delusions, essentially a zealous fundamentalist religion, and you believe fervently in all of it."
(Just too laughable to refute. And no, O psychic, your characterization of me doesn't do what I believe justice).
~ "It's not that you employ this 'anti-zionism = anti-Semitism' equation...; YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT."
(I've already demolished this crap.)
~ "Your fervent (fervid, actually) belief in this particular fallacy is motivated by its convenience to the larger envelope of assumptions you accept without question, which by the way can be summed up as straightforward racism carried almost to the point of paranoid psychosis, complete with delusions of grandeur."
(Nice prose and syntax but remarkably off the mark tripe.)
~ "So. You believe absolutely in this 'anti-zionism = anti-Semitism' fallacy, as do zionists in general"
(Wrong on both counts and ridiculous of course.)
~ "Zionism has become the centerpiece of ethnic advocacy among Jews, which is what ADL has always represented."
(No, the ADL has not always represented it.)
Let the reader make no mistake, YOU're the one repeatedly insisting that I posit and fervently believe the false equation anti-Zionism = antisemitism. Therefore, when I assert the ADL "struggles to suppress antisemitism", I'm maintaining something quite different than your stubborn claim that it "struggles to suppress opposition to Israel,".
Your contention that "By screaming "anti-Semite!" at me just because I don't like Israel [lie], you've made my point for me that suppressing anti-zionism is integral to and inseperable from the ADL's efforts to suppress anti-Semitism [you're confusing your personal opinion -- a factually wrong one at that -- for a fact]." is bunk logic since it's premised on a few logical fallacies as I've shown. You're truly an accomplished bullshit artist.
As far as religion goes, I'd say that fanatical anti-Zionism of the antisemitic stripe that you happen to subscribe to seems a lot more of a religion that Zionism.
Whether or not you hate Jews in particular doesn't detract from the reality you're antisemitic.
You represent virtually all that you loath: weak-mindedness, dishonesty, stupidity, bigotry, racism, paranoia, deceitfulness, violence on cyber, sleaziness, silencing ideological opponents by saying the last word at any cost, tendency toward insanity, lying, delusions, zealous fundamentalist-like ideological hostility, impossible to reach, typical of religionists, assumptions accepted without question, grandeur delusions, psychosis, reactionary. Hope I've missed nothing...
In effect, you're one hell of a projecting machine.
I don't have anything to add about 9-11 to what has already been said on this topic.
As long as the US Left tolerates racists like you, it'll remain in its current duldrums, and the American far Left for sure will never win the hearts of a substantial percentage of the population.
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