YOU WROTE: "so as long as there is one Palestinean still standing, it is not genocide? What is it until that point? ETHNIC CLEANSING???"
BECKY: The terms we are discussing are a matter of degree. There is murder, serial murder, mass murder, massacres, and genocide ---each a degree greater in scope. Israel is NO WHERE NEAR COMMITTING GENOCIDE on the Palestinians. Here on Indymedia I read a year ago that Sharon was going to use the start of the Iraqi war as cover to genocide the Palestinians. It didn't happen. When are you people going to stop crying wolf? Israel is not even engaged in ethnic cleansing as you put it. Israel is about 20% Arab and they have full citizenship rights. The Palestinians are NOT Israeli citizens, yet they enjoy more rights to due process in Israeli courts than the Mexicans do in California.
YOU WROTE: "It is clear the Zionists would love to wipe out the Palestinean people in a day and a half."
BECKY: I don't think that's clear at all--not from the Israeli govt. nor the man on the street in Israel. Some do call for some sort of transfer of population. I am not one of them. I would only support this if it were voluntary. As for ethnic cleansing, Jordan has ethnically cleansed every single Jew from their entire country without a peep from you. Leftists often call for the removal of "Jewish settlements" on the West Bank and Gaza even though some of these have been there for centuries. But that's NOT ethnic cleansing???
YOU WROTE: The balance of power is not equal between Palestine and Israel. Israel could NOT continue it's ILLEGAL settlement and OCCUPATION of Palestine were it not for OUR TAX DOLLARS.
BECKY: First, there is no Palestine. 2nd, see above for info on UN res. 242 to explain why the occupation is not illegal. And I didn't even go into the Oslo Accords which gave the PA total control to civilly administer 95% of the Palestinian people. Hence, no occupation. As for our tax dollars---that was what the US agreed to in the 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. Do you really want to end that US committment which has brought peace between Egypt and Israel for 25 years? Besides, with Bush spending 87 billion dollars in the latest installment for the war in Iraq, the 3 billion a year to Israel (and 2 billion a year to Egypt which you forgot to mention) sounds like peanuts by comparison.
YOU WROTE: "you are assisting in sucking America DRY for Israel's Illegal occupation and ETHNIC CLEANSING PROGRAM."
BECKY: The Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank has increased 7-fold since 1949. If Israel is committing ethnic cleansing as you charge, then they are doing a piss-poor job of it.
YOU WROTE: "YOU ARE THEREFORE A TRAITOR TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA."
BECKY: Must we degrade to name-calling? I support the US continuing to live by the conditions of the 1979 peace treaty between Egypt & Israel. This hardly makes me a traitor to the US.
YOU WROTE: "Your allegiance is to another Country. You are a traitor just as the Neocon reactionary Pro Israel spies and "lobbyists" are like Richard Prince of Darkness Perle and the others."
BECKY: I simply support justice for the State of Israel. To me it is a matter of morality, ethics, and justice. I too want to see an end to the conflict, but we differ on our understanding of the historical facts and what methods should be employed to end the conflict.
YOU WROTE: "You call your self "left"? That is a crock of shit. Your (sic) about as "left" as Richard sicko Perle."
BECKY: I completely disagree with Richard Perle's assessment of the Iraq war.
YOU WROTE:"You are hereby exposed."
BECKY: I have given my REAL NAME and real e-mail address all along. You HIDE behind a pseudonym and fling insults. You are a coward.
Re: Zionism, Nazism, and Radical Islam -A History Lesson For Becky Johnson
Date Edited: 03 Apr 2004 05:28:31 AM
YOU WROTE: "so as long as there is one Palestinean still standing, it is not genocide? What is it until that point? ETHNIC CLEANSING???"
BECKY: The terms we are discussing are a matter of degree. There is murder, serial murder, mass murder, massacres, and genocide ---each a degree greater in scope. Israel is NO WHERE NEAR COMMITTING GENOCIDE on the Palestinians. Here on Indymedia I read a year ago that Sharon was going to use the start of the Iraqi war as cover to genocide the Palestinians. It didn't happen. When are you people going to stop crying wolf? Israel is not even engaged in ethnic cleansing as you put it. Israel is about 20% Arab and they have full citizenship rights. The Palestinians are NOT Israeli citizens, yet they enjoy more rights to due process in Israeli courts than the Mexicans do in California.
YOU WROTE: "It is clear the Zionists would love to wipe out the Palestinean people in a day and a half."
BECKY: I don't think that's clear at all--not from the Israeli govt. nor the man on the street in Israel. Some do call for some sort of transfer of population. I am not one of them. I would only support this if it were voluntary. As for ethnic cleansing, Jordan has ethnically cleansed every single Jew from their entire country without a peep from you. Leftists often call for the removal of "Jewish settlements" on the West Bank and Gaza even though some of these have been there for centuries. But that's NOT ethnic cleansing???
YOU WROTE: The balance of power is not equal between Palestine and Israel. Israel could NOT continue it's ILLEGAL settlement and OCCUPATION of Palestine were it not for OUR TAX DOLLARS.
BECKY: First, there is no Palestine. 2nd, see above for info on UN res. 242 to explain why the occupation is not illegal. And I didn't even go into the Oslo Accords which gave the PA total control to civilly administer 95% of the Palestinian people. Hence, no occupation. As for our tax dollars---that was what the US agreed to in the 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. Do you really want to end that US committment which has brought peace between Egypt and Israel for 25 years? Besides, with Bush spending 87 billion dollars in the latest installment for the war in Iraq, the 3 billion a year to Israel (and 2 billion a year to Egypt which you forgot to mention) sounds like peanuts by comparison.
YOU WROTE: "you are assisting in sucking America DRY for Israel's Illegal occupation and ETHNIC CLEANSING PROGRAM."
BECKY: The Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank has increased 7-fold since 1949. If Israel is committing ethnic cleansing as you charge, then they are doing a piss-poor job of it.
YOU WROTE: "YOU ARE THEREFORE A TRAITOR TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA."
BECKY: Must we degrade to name-calling? I support the US continuing to live by the conditions of the 1979 peace treaty between Egypt & Israel. This hardly makes me a traitor to the US.
YOU WROTE: "Your allegiance is to another Country. You are a traitor just as the Neocon reactionary Pro Israel spies and "lobbyists" are like Richard Prince of Darkness Perle and the others."
BECKY: I simply support justice for the State of Israel. To me it is a matter of morality, ethics, and justice. I too want to see an end to the conflict, but we differ on our understanding of the historical facts and what methods should be employed to end the conflict.
YOU WROTE: "You call your self "left"? That is a crock of shit. Your (sic) about as "left" as Richard sicko Perle."
BECKY: I completely disagree with Richard Perle's assessment of the Iraq war.
YOU WROTE:"You are hereby exposed."
BECKY: I have given my REAL NAME and real e-mail address all along. You HIDE behind a pseudonym and fling insults. You are a coward.
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