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Examiner ad demonizes Palestinian children, shows young girl with gun

Such anti-Palestinian stereotypes obscure the reality that over the past four years Palestinian children have been the principal victims of violence and other human rights abuses in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 625 Palestinian children were killed by the Israeli army and settlers in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip between 29 September 2000 and 31 December 2004 according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society. Over 100 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians during the same period.
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Examiner ad demonizes Palestinian children
Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada, 25 January 2005

The Electronic Intifada calls on its readers to protest an advertisement for the San Francisco Examiner and Washington Examiner newspapers demonizing Palestinian children. The advertisment appeared in the 24 January 2005 of Media Week, a trade publication.

THE PROBLEM

The advertisement aims to attract advertisers to the Examiner newspapers. It includes a picture of a girl playing a violin on the left-hand side of the page, and another picture of a girl carrying an assault rifle on the right-hand side of the page. Superimposed over the two pictures is the legend "PTA to PLO," with PTA over the girl with the violin and PLO over the girl with the rifle.

The pictures are undated and unsourced, however the implication is clear: the girl with the rifle is supposed to represent a Palestinian girl and embody what the PLO stands for.

Such anti-Palestinian stereotypes obscure the reality that over the past four years Palestinian children have been the principal victims of violence and other human rights abuses in the Israel-Palestine conflict.

625 Palestinian children were killed by the Israeli army and settlers in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip between 29 September 2000 and 31 December 2004 according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society. Over 100 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians during the same period.

Amnesty International has frequently condemned violence against Palestinian and Israeli children. In a 20 November 2004 statement, the organization said:

"Many killings of Palestinian children by Israeli armed forces have been unlawful, as wilful, killings resulting from acts including reckless shooting, tank and aircraft shelling and bombardments and house destruction. As such these killings are grave breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention and therefore war crimes. Such killings have been part of widespread, as well as systematic, acts against Palestinian civilians. They have been carried out by Israeli armed forces pursuant to government policy, evidenced by the knowledge and approval of government authorities who are fully aware that for over four years such practices have consistently resulted in the killing or injury of civilians and who have declined to take effective steps to prevent such killings of civilians. They, therefore, meet the definition of crimes against humanity under international law."

Amnesty also highlighted that:

"In their daily lives, Palestinian children throughout the Occupied Territories have also been exposed to an increasingly high level of violence and violations of many of their rights including the right to education, to an adequate standard of living, to the highest attainable standard of health, to safe and secure housing, and to freedom of movement. For four years many have been confronted with Israeli army aircraft circling the sky or launching missiles, and with Israeli army tanks outside their homes and schools. Their villages and neighbourhoods have been kept under siege and they have often been confined to their homes for days and weeks at a time by curfews and closures. They have been forced to go through military checkpoints to get to school or to take long detours and to climb over blockades or in and out of ditches in order to visit relatives or to go to the doctor."

Source: web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE020022004


The vast majority of killings are never investigated and rarely are the killers punished by Israeli authorities.

While these human rights abuses continue unabated, some pro-Israel groups have aggressively used unrepresentative images similar to the one in The Examiner advertisement in campaigns designed to demonize Palestinian children and portray them as violent and Israel-hating and thereby justify or explain away violence against them.

Original Reuters caption: "An Israeli boy plays with a machine gun during a rally in the Gush Katif settlement bloc in the Gaza Strip, April 27, 2004 to protest Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to abandon Jewish enclaves in the Gaza Strip. The surprisingly high turnout of upwards of 50,000 flag- waving Israelis for an Independence Day march stirred hopes among settlers of defeating a crucial May 2 referendum of Sharon's right-wing Likud party on his 'disengagement' plan." (Photo: REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun)
At the same time, equally disturbing images of Israeli children are readily available but have not been used by advocates for Palestinian rights to try to depict Israeli children in a similar manner. While many news organizations have taken seriously debunked claims that Palestinian children are routinely taught anti-Israel "hatred" and "incitement" in their schools, they have largely ignored evidence that Israeli children, particularly in West Bank settlements are indoctrinated with anti-Arab hatred. A lengthy report by Ada Upshiz in Israel's Ha'aretz newspaper on 21 January, for example, revealed how some Israeli children routinely terrorize Palestinians and call for the killing of all Palestinians if they do not leave their homeland.

These phenomena are deeply disturbing and can be documented on both sides of the conflict. They are the product of a long and bitter conflict and should never be used to demonize children.

News organizations have a responsibility to investigate the reality behind hate-motivated campaigns against Palestinian children and should certainly not draw on the same stereotypes to sell advertising.


THE SOLUTION

Please contact Mark Wurzer, Vice-President of Advertising, and Jim Pimentel, Managing Editor at The Examiner, to politely request that The Examiner:

# immediately withdraw the adverstisement;
# apologize for stereotyping and demonizing Palestinian children

Mark Wurzer
VP of Advertising
E-mail: mwurzer (at) examiner.com
Phone: +1 (303) 299-1488

Jim Pimentel
Managing Editor
E-mail: jpimentel (at) examiner.com
Phone: +1 (415) 826-1100
 
 


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DESPICABLY *RACIST* HATE AD RUN BY S.F. EXAMINER!!

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The Zionist Jewish lobby has the *nerve* to produce such a graphically and horrendously *RACIST* ad, even as they have produced yet ANOTHER Jewish Holocaust TV special (for public television this week) to rub our noses in *AGAIN*: WAR PROPAGANDA endlessly *EXPLOITING* the horrible tragedy of their own people (European Jews) to support the RACIST state of ISRAEL that actually DISHONORS the memory of the Holocaust and the lives of those killed (not just Jews, but also "Gypsies", gays, the mentally handicapped, leftists, etc).

TELL ME THAT A, SIMILARLY, GRAPHICALLY RACIST AD COULD NOT HAVE BEEN RUN AGAINST THE JEWS (PORTRAYING THEM AS EITHER SOCIAL VERMIN OR AVARICIOUS MONEY-LENDERS) BY THE NAZIS!!?

Before it was Jews, then it was Asians (especially Chinese- and Japanese-Americans), now it's Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims.

WHO WILL BE *NEXT*?

That racist Zionist Jews would produce such an ad is certainly no surprise, but for the S.F. Examiner -- a major city newspaper in one of the most culturally diverse metropolitan areas in the country -- to actually RUN such ad an is UTTERLY *DETESTABLE*!!

Good people of all races, ethnicities, cultures and religions should **CALL** the Examiner and voice your *OUTRAGE*!!

IF POSSIBLE, ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS IN THE BAY AREA CONCERNED WITH SOCIAL/GLOBAL JUSTICE ISSUES SHOULD COORDINATE A PICKET AT THE EXAMINER.

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Israeli child-killers

"Remember These Children", a joint project of the:

American Educational Trust (800 368 5788)

Americans for Middle East Understanding, Inc. (212 870 2053)

Black Voices for Peace (800 820 2873)

Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel (202 423 7666)

website is http:// www.rememberthesechildren.org

This report was prepared as a supplement for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, a reliable outfit.

************************************************************************************

BEFORE any Israeli children were killed by suicide bombers, 84 (that's right, 84) Palestinian children were murdered by the Israeli military or rabbid Zionist Jewish settlers.

Of the 84 Palestinian children, 39 were were killed by _HEAD_ shots. The report lays it out month by month, starting with September 30, 2000 the day the first Palestinian child was shot, two days after Sharon's provocation, errr 'visit', to the Al Aqsa Mosque.

The first Israeli child to die from Palestinian hands was January l7, 2001. Thus, 3-1/2 months later, AFTER _84_ killings of Palestinian kids by Israelis, the revenge suicide-bombing began.
 

Palestinian vs. Israeli children killed:

_662_ Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis

versus

_117_ Israeli children killed by Palestinians

since September 29, 2000.

ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

www.rememberthesechildren.org


TOTALS FOR 2004:

Palestinian children: 154

Israeli children: 11

www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2004.html
 

JA's lying machine barrels forth unbridled

Juif Antagoniste (Joseph Anderson), the supposed anony-mouse who posted the first comment herein, mendaciously accuses "the Zionist Jewish lobby" of producing the ad in question and charges Israel with dishonoring the Holocaust's memory. If you're familiar with him by now you shouldn't be surprised. I'm sure many here second his latter charge though.

His comment is a copy of his post on Indybay.
 

Ad SHOWS Reality, doesn't obscure it

re: the photo of the young girl holding a rifle in her hand and the label PLO on the picture:

"Such anti-Palestinian stereotypes obscure the reality that over the past four years Palestinian children have been the principal victims of violence and other human rights abuses in the Israel-Palestine conflict."

The photo identifies a young girl as being an armed recruit for the Palestinian Liberation Organization. The PLO HAS recruited children. The PLO DOES support murder for their cause.

So the image of a young Palestinian girl already a trained killer ready to destroy Israel and the Jews is not "obscuring reality". It IS reality.

And by the way, the message is NOT that Palestinian children are killers. The message is that their parents and teachers are raising them to be hate-driven killers.
 

Becky Doesn't Mind Them Dead

The Israeli government routinely murders non-combatant children. Becky Johnson has defended this practice in past posts.
 

Steve doesn't argue the facts

Steve,
Oh, and Palestinian suicide bombers dont purposely target Israeli children when they blow up a bus full of kids on their way to school?
 

Nothing But The Facts

The murderous Israeli government is a government, murdering Palestinians is part of its policy.

The Palestinian people are a diverse people with many opinions and no official policy.

I have repeatedly opposed all murderous attacks on civilians.

Most of these attacks are carried out by the chauvinistic Israeli government, a government that not only denies basic rights, but also routinely terrorizes the civilian population.

The PA cannot stop attacks carried out by extremist Islamic groups like Hamas any more than the Israeli government can, although they have tried. The Israeli government, in helping create Hamas, and in creating the conditions for Hamas to recruit, is far more responsible for anti-Semitic attacks on Hebrew speaking civilians than the PA.

When will YOU join me to call on the Israeli government to start punishing for real the soldiers and settlers who perpetrate attacks on non-combatants?

Here is one of my condemnations of attacks on civilians that I posted earlier:

The cities of Ramallah and Jenin have been laid to waste by the
Zionists just as the Nazis smashed the towns of Guarnica and Lidice in
the name of collective punishment. Likewise the heroic resistance of
Palestinian fighters in the face of superior military force is
reminiscent of the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto and Vilna.

The Israeli offensive will not stop those willing to do suicide
missions against civilians, attacks that are futile attempts to combat
the genocide Palestinians face. The Israeli offensive does the
opposite in deepening the conditions that created suicide bombers in
the first place. The anger created is by escalated Israeli murder is
actually more likely to increase the number tragic of attacks on
Hebrew civilians. At the same time Israel has not targeted the main
base of the suicide bombers, Gaza, where Hamas is heavily organized.
In fact, the murderous Israeli repression really isn't meant to stop
attacks on Hebrew civilians because these bombings by Hamas actually
play right into the Zionist government's aims and objectives in
pushing for a final solution against the Palestinian people and the
Palestinian Authority who the Israeli government consistently blame
for the attacks by Hamas.

Hamas is an anti-Semitic fundamentalist religious organization that
killed 150 Israeli civilians through suicide bombings between 1994 and
1998 alone. From its beginnings as the Mujama in the 1970s to this
day Hamas does not face the same kind of repression as any other
Palestinian group. In addition Hamas reportedly receives $28 million
dollars a year from another key U.S. ally in the region, Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. and the Saudi Arabian monarchy work together closely to
systematically loot Saudi Arabia's oil resources for the profits of
U.S. oil monopolies while the vast majority of the Saudi people live
in poverty. In addition the U.S., Saudi Arabia, and Hamas worked
together closely in the U.S. war drive to destroy the left progressive
PDPA government that held power in Afghanistan from 1978 to 1992.
This was a war where the U.S. government and Saudi Arabia gave
billions of dollars of military aid to Osama Bin Laden and the Islamic
fundamentalists of the Mujahedin who were waging a holy war against
the advances in women's rights, including women's literacy, that were
occurring under the PDPA government. Tactics of the Mujahedin
included throwing acid in the faces of women liberated from the veil
and murdering women for teaching little girls how to read and write.
Fearing a Mujahedin government right on its border and defending the
PDPA government from U.S. aggression the Soviet Union sent troops into
Afghanistan in 1979. Although these Soviet troops were invited by the
Afghan PDPA U.S. propaganda called this a Soviet invasion.

An estimated 100,000 of the Islamic fundamentalists who fought in
Afghanistan were recruited by the CIA outside of Afghanistan. Hamas
participated in this activity. As John Cooley from ABC news pointed
out on March 13th, 1996 in the International Herald Tribune: "A key
Hamas organizer was Abdallah Azzam. He was a tough, brilliant and
charismatic Palestinian from Jordan. He supervised training for the
CIA's Afghan guerrillas in Peshawar, Pakistan, where a car bomb killed
him in 1989. In the earlier 1980s he toured the United States,
recruiting Arab-Americans for the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan."

Just as the United States used Hamas against the Afghani people and
the leftist PDPA government, Israel has used the religious
fundamentalists of Hamas as a club against the socialist and secular
nationalist movements in Palestine that Hamas has violently opposed.
It is those secular and socialist movements that Israel has seen as
more of a threat in terms of winning the masses of people, including
Hebrew speakers, over to positions of sympathy and solidarity with the
Palestinians. Hamas's suicide bombers against civilians instead serve
Zionist interests in driving a larger wedge between Palestinians and
Hebrew speakers, people who will need to unite against their common
oppressor and killer, the Israeli Zionist government.

Early Israeli support for Hamas included in 1978 the granting of
Mujama charitable status in Gaza while other organizations, especially
political organizations as Mujama was, could not get such status. In
1979 Israeli collusion with the Mujama movement set up the Islamic
University of Gaza whose anti-PLO and anti-socialist slogan was: "How
can uncovered women and men with Beatle haircuts liberate our holy
places?" Students who did not tow the Islamic line were disciplined
through brutal beatings and sometimes had acid thrown in their faces.
In addition Mujama mobs were allowed to violently attack and burn
down PLO controlled institutions at a time when other street
demonstrations were not allowed or tightly controlled by the Israeli
authorities.

In 1979 the Mujama movement burned the Palestinian Red Crescent
Society's (PRC) building to the ground. In response the PRC issued
the following statement, "The tacit approval of the authorities, if
not their actual connivance in what happened, was displayed in their
attitude of non-interference. While they usually display great
alertness to combating even peaceful demonstrations of young students
within schools, here they stood indifferently watching a violently
destructive demonstration march to its objectives."

In 1988 Hamas was formed out of Mujama. While PLO supporters were
organizing mass demonstrations in the streets Hamas was instead
focusing on shooting Israeli soldiers. Despite this fact Hamas had
top-level meetings with the Israeli government while that same
government would not even meet with the PLO. Milton Edwards in
"Islamic Politics In Palestine" noted the relationship: "The
relationship between Hamas and the Israeli authorities was, however,
at the strongest during the second year of the Intifada. The Israelis
had been quick to extend legitimacy status to Hamas in an attempt to
marginalize the PLO. Leaders of Hamas were regularly filmed at
meetings with top-level Israeli officials and the message the Israelis
were sending out was that they regarded Hamas as the type of people
with whom they could work…

"In addition the Israelis continued turning a blind eye to large
amounts of money coming into the country destined for Hamas coffers,
while at the same time stopping the flow of PLO funds in support of
the Intifada."

In 1994 Hamas began its indiscriminate attacks on Hebrew speaking
people through suicide bombings. Those suicide bombings had been
stepped up by Hamas in the beginnings of the Intifada 2 uprising in
September 2000, but then ended due to an agreement between Arafat's
Palestinian Authority and Hamas. While this agreement was in effect
world attention became focused on the gunning down of Palestinian
children by Israeli sharp shooters on the West Bank. For the Zionist
government this was becoming a public relations disaster.

Israeli Prime Minister Sharon needed a new provocation he could use
as propaganda to escalate the war against the Palestinian people and
the Palestinian Authority (P.A.). To create this provocation he took
action to end the truce between the P.A. and Hamas on ending the
suicide bombings of civilians. On November 23rd Israeli security
forces assassinated Hamas leader Mahmud Abu Hunud. On November 25th,
2001 right-wing Israeli journalist Alex Fishman accurately observed in
the "Yediot Achronot": "Whoever gave the green light to this act of
liquidation knew full well that he is thereby shattering in one blow
the gentleman's agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority;
under that agreement, Hamas was to avoid in the near future suicide
bombings inside the Green Line."

Of course no one but Sharon could have given the green light for
such an important operation. Sharon's provocation against the Hamas
anti-Semites had its intended affect. Within days Hamas resumed
attacks against Israeli civilians. In March a Hamas bomber killed 25
civilians in the Passover attack that was then used by Sharon as his
excuse to attack the Palestinian people and the Palestinian Authority.

The U.S. government's massive military support to the Zionist State
and, to a lesser extent to the repressive Saudi Arabian monarchy is
responsible for the bloodshed in Palestine. The racist state of
Israel currently receives 300,000 dollars per hour in U.S. military
and economic aid. The F-16 bombers, Apache and Cobra helicopters used
in the latest attacks are just some of the weapons used to kill
Palestinians that are made in the United States.

Socialists stand for an end to U.S. military aid to Israel and all
of the crowned princes, sheiks, emirs, and Islamic fanatics of the
Middle East. We understand that these U.S. policies are the policies
of both the Democrat and Republican Parties. Imperialist policy isn't
the result of some misunderstanding by these parties of the wealthy.
Instead the repressive and genocidal policies of U.S. imperialism flow
from the drive for profits by the rapacious U.S. capitalists that rule
America and much of the world. From this understanding socialists
know that the only way we will get a just foreign policy, fair
treatment of workers and the poor, and sound ecological policies is
through a socialist revolution in the United States.
 

Does the PLO recruit children?

Steve, the point I made, which you have attempted to snow everyone here with off the mark repostings, is that the PLO DOES recruit children to use and bear arms (making it likely they will GET shot by the IDF), recruits children to smuggle arms, recruits children to become shehadas or "holy martyrs" by being killed in the act of fighting against infidels--namely the Jewish people in Israel.

As for your contention that Israel is unable to stop the attacks against the Israeli people, both the security fence has dramatically dropped the number of attacks and the resulting death toll by its passive resistance. Also, recent developments where Israel has agreed to stop targeting the leaders of Hamas if they will stop the murderous attacks against Israeli civilians, show that the IDF policy may indeed be working to stop the violence.
 

If you call the Examiner....

Pimentel isn't picking up his phone and you can't leave a message, so ask for the city editor. If that doesn't work, call the same number and ask to be transferred to the receptionist at First and Mission.
 

to zionist dickhead peanut gallery

I did some searching and found from Human Rights Watch:

The number of children suicide bombers that are under 16 is _0_.

There have been around nine 17 year-old bombers and one was 16.

So any way you slice it, the number is an EXTREMELY SMALL number of borderline adults over a 6 year period.

There are _0_ suicide bombers like the posted picture. _ZERO_. Its just racist propaganda to claim that Palestinian families are training their children to blow themselves up.

So of 662 killed Palestinian children 10 were armed. I.e., _99%_ of the children that were murdered by Israel were UNARMED.

And finally -- zionist dickheads -- I don't considered rock throwing 12 years olds fighting against tanks and B-52's as "armed".
 

Anti-Zionist buffoon gallery

Hey anti-Zionists, meet your new friend Ron who had his ass handed to him by myself and others after posting his above post on Indybay. Obviously he's too afraid to show his face again there now that he has lost his pretexts to whine like an adolescent idiot who appears to be in need of getting some maternal hugs. He's settling only for the facts he's willing to put up with so as not to spoil the neat delusion he's cultivated for himself.

Oh, and in case someone doesn't know, the IDF has no B-52s....
 

Re: Examiner ad demonizes Palestinian children, shows young girl with gun

Ron made a small mistake.

The Israeli miltary doesn't have B-52s, but they do murder children and others from the sky with F-16 bombers, as well as Apache and Cobra helicopters.
 

Ron told various lies.

The Israeli air force assassinates from above terrorists and militants, be they teenagers or older. The bystanders that get killed during these missions are untargetted collateral damage that occurs while the combatants are targetted.

Naturally, the rabid anti-Zionists prefer to portray the all assassinated Palestinian combatants as innocent civilian "freedom fighters" who were murdered. That's the spin resorted to by the anti-Zionist propaganda hacks.
 

Re: Examiner ad demonizes Palestinian children, shows young girl with gun

"The Israeli air force assassinates from above terrorists and militants, be they teenagers or older."

Yeah sure, just like the unarmed 13 year-old girl, Iman al-Hams.
 

Victory! Examiner Drops Racist Ad and Apologizes

Examiner pulls offensive ad, apologizes

by Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada,
28 January 2005

The company that publishes The San Francisco Examiner and Washington Examiner newspapers has pulled an advertisement that demonized Palestinian children and has apologized for causing offense.

The advertisement appeared in Media Week, a trade publication, as part of a campaign by The Examiner to sell advertising space in its newspapers.

On 25 January, EI asked its readers to contact Mark Wurzer, Vice-President of Advertising, and Jim Pimentel, Managing Editor at The Examiner, to politely request they:

immediately withdraw the adverstisement;

apologize for stereotyping and demonizing Palestinian children.

On 27 January 2004, The Examiner responded positively. Scott McKibben, publisher, replied to concerned enquirers in a letter that stated:

"It has been brought to our attention that a recent advertisement published in Media Week promoting The Examiner has caused concern and offence to readers. On behalf of Clarity Media Group and The Examiner in Washington and San Francisco, we sincerely apologise. Clarity Media will immediately remove this advertisement from their campaign and new artwork will be used for the remaining duration of the marketing program." Contact: Mark Wurzer VP of Advertising E-mail: mwurzer (at) examiner.com Phone: 1 (303) 299-1488 Jim Pimentel Managing Editor E-mail: jpimentel (at) examiner.com Phone: 1 (415) 826-1100


Thanks to all who [called and] wrote letters of concern to The Examiner.
 

Does the PLO arm children?

Congratulations on your successful attempt to censor news you don't agree with.

The questions remains, did the ad "demonize Palestinian children" or did if faithfully report the PLO's cynical use of children?

Obviously the PLO DOES arm children. Where is your moral outrage against this practice which surely causes death and massive injury to Palestinian children, not to mention their victims?
 

Ohhh..., zionists 'NNNEVER' censor the news..., do they, Becky.

Give us a break from your mouth, Becky.
 

The Palestinian Authority ALWAYS censors the news

Israel does not censor its news. Take a look at all the anti-Israel articles coming out of...Israel...and you have your proof.

By contrast the Palestinian Authority does not allow anything at all on their tv, radio, and press that has not gotten the PA stamp of approval. Articles critical of the PA are censored routinely.

NO! Israel does NOT censor its news.

BTW, I consider myself pro-Israel,and not a Zionist.

To me,a Zionist is a member of a Zionist organization that had a hand in setting up Israel as a modern state and homeland for Jews anywhere in the world.

I am not a member of any such organization. I am a member of Dafka, which is a pro-Israel educational and lobbying organization.

I do not consider myself a Zionist. I also feel the Zionist movement is passe as its purpose was to set up the Jewish State of Israel which it already accomplished in 1948. The people who run Israel right now are Israelis, not "Zionists".

The only groups I know of who intentionally murder children are the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, the PLO, PFLP, Tanzim, Hizbollah, and another half dozen PALESTINIAN terror groups. They even train their own childen to become martyrs by killing Jews.

Israel does not target children, goes to great lengths to avoid injuring any civilian, and does not train its children to pick up arms. The Palestinians put children on the front lines, in front of snipers, encourage their boys to throw rocks at IDF soldiers, and recruit teenage suicide bombers. These policies are reprehensible and abusive to children.

The PLO obviously does recruit children to bear arms and here you jerks are out defending their "honor" and condemning a paper for reporting a truth that is inconvenient to your prejudices.
 

and aryan-supremacists are not nazis (who merely started it):

a distinction without a difference.
 

Tell me, "beckyjohnsonisfullofshit", which Zionists have censored news?

Just like your comrades, you're just spouting claims with no back up. Kindly produce one example supporting your claim.


P.S.: obviously there are some definitions for the meanings of Zionism and a Zionist. I respectfully disagree with the one spelled out above.
 

I'll tell you.

All the zionist organizations that terrorize people in the news (and academia and politics) for even mildly speaking out against israel, its racist ideology, or for palestinian rights. All the zionist organizations that won't even permit an open and fundamental debate on any major network broadcast media (tv/radio) stations. All the zionists that attack imc (fortunately grassroots, independent and run by people who won't be threatened), even though zionists get to spew their ignorant propaganda all over imc discussion boards - but fortunately it does get effectively and openly challenged (much to zionist frustrations). All the zionists that have launched denial of services attacks on the various imc's, try to _impersonate_ and discredit effective voices on imc boards, visciously attack effective voices on imc and try to smear them as - what else - "anti-Semites", or try to infiltrate imc. Just a few of these scummy zionist organizations are _israel_, aipac, the adl (you know, the zionist domestic _spy_ organization), the jcrc, and campuswatch. You, ct, are the _last_ person that needs to ask, since you quite well fit several of the above descriptions. Now if you want to play stupid - well, okay, you and becky _not_ playing - that's up to you. (Before I noticed, I originally thought it was becky. Had I originally noticed that it was you under "by", ct, I wouldn't have even bothered to answer. One idiot at a time is enough to deal with.)
 

that's because I utterly and sarcastically demolished becky's idiotic reductio absurdum definition

ct: "obviously there are some definitions for the meanings of Zionism and a Zionist. I utterly disagree with the idiotic one becky spelled out above."

well, becky can be forgiven, since she claims not to be a jew - married to one? (common becky, where's the _other_ shoe?)
 

"You, ct, quite well fit several of the above descriptions."

What extreme hyperbole.

I label someone an antisemite only when they've shown anti-Jewish colors and I "viciously attack" people who are slandering, lying, distorting, telling half-truths and bullshitting on top of it. I don't regret any of that, least of all when I'm baselessly labelled a Nazi, a goosestepper, a fascist, a ZioNazi, you name it. Don't presume you'd get a totally free ride when you indulge in this despicable behavior.

I neither impersonate nor infiltrate IMC. And if I were to become an IMCista in good standing like Gehrig and even become an editor as he could, who are you to decide he or I have infiltrated IMC? IMC was supposed to stand for *independent* media, not far leftist media by definition. You have some kind of fixation on the notion that Zionist are inhuman racist fascists who aren't entitled for positions within IMC. Deal with it. If Gehrig for example takes up an editorial position in his own IMC, there's not a damn thing you could do to prevent it.

None of "evidence" you furnished before you got around to the attacks of service denial against different IMCs constitutes proof of news censorship, and you didn't even manage to name even one specific Zionist organization that was convincingly tied to such an attack. If you know of one such incident, please give us the organization's name, the IMC or IMCs denied service and the date.

Your slander of the ADL merits no comment. The other US based organizations are trying to keep at bay the pernicious dangers your organizations pose for the non-Islamic and Western world and Israel. For example, you've already caused untold damage by the way you've brainwashed countless university students across the US and beyond, not least by securing some of those institutions' administrators unwavering support for your anti-Israel agenda (Duke University should ring a bell).
 

"You have some kind of fixation on the notion that Zionist are inhuman racist fascists who aren't entitled for positions within IMC."

`
_YYYEP_.


ct: "Your slander of the ADL merits no comment."


just google: adl spy organization blankfort

get: "...activists, two of them are Jewish including Jeffrey Blankfort, successfully sued the ADL for illegally spying on them ... is better known as a spy organization, spying on anyone..."

get: "a group that spied on thousands of Californians"

get: "Blankfort and Steve Zeltzer, co-founders of the Labor Committee on the Middle East, who had "outed" Bullock as an ADL spy"

get: "victory, huge award, for Blankfort, Zeltzer and Poirier in ADL illegal spying case"

get: "The ADL has turned itself into a dirty tricks organization for Israel."

see: www.counterpunch.org/adlspying2.html
 

C'mon, don't clone or spam your message

You're putting the previous poster's comment at risk of being deleted. Is that really what you want to accomplish?
 

The case against the so-called Zionists

FULL OF SHIT: All the zionist organizations that terrorize people in the news (and academia and politics) for even mildly speaking out against israel, its racist ideology, or for palestinian rights.

BECKY: Have I terrorized anyone? Have I made death threats or suggested we follow anyone home?


FULL OF SHIT: All the zionist organizations that won't even permit an open and fundamental debate on any major network broadcast media (tv/radio) stations.

BECKY: Those would be the media executives of the major networks. Zionists? I don't think so.

FULL OF SHIT: All the zionists that attack imc (fortunately grassroots, independent and run by people who won't be threatened), even though zionists get to spew their ignorant propaganda all over imc discussion boards - but fortunately it does get effectively and openly challenged (much to zionist frustrations).

BECKY: By attack do you mean infect with computer viruses or spam attacks? Do you mean by launching specious lawsuits against IMC? I actually think fullofshit means my having the nerve to present counter-comments to his ideas, which in no way amounts to an attack on the entire IMC network.

FULL OF SHIT: All the zionists that have launched denial of services attacks on the various imc's,.....

BECKY: This is news to me.

FULL OF SHIT: try to _impersonate_

BECKY: I personally use my real name and e-mail address when I use indymedia. I think the format of allowing anonymous postings leads to this kind of misuse. I'm not aware this is a problem exclusive to Zionists.

FULL OF SHIT: and discredit effective voices on imc boards,

BECKY: Your sacred cow is my fatted calf. This is America. Voicing a lot of different opinions is good, healthy, and indicative of democracy in action. If I have libeled or slandered anyone, they can sue me in civil court.

FULL OF SHIT: and try to smear them as - what else - "anti-Semites",

BECKY: If the shoe fits....

FULL OF SHIT: or try to infiltrate imc.

BECKY: IMC is a forum and media center for the people. Ordinary people can join in and participate by posting articles, and comments. Why one person is "infiltrating" while another is not is highly subjective. I guess if you disagree with FULL OF SHIT then, you are not one of the people but an outsider stealthily entering where you are not wanted. Of course, I always post my real name, so if I am "infiltrating" then I'm not being very sneaky about it.

FULL OF SHIT: Just a few of these scummy zionist organizations are _israel_, aipac, the adl (you know, the zionist domestic _spy_ organization), the jcrc, and campuswatch.

BECKY: I am not a member of any of those organizations. And I am not a Zionist.

FULL OF SHIT: You, ct, are the _last_ person that needs to ask, since you quite well fit several of the above descriptions. Now if you want to play stupid - well, okay, you and becky _not_ playing - that's up to you. (Before I noticed, I originally thought it was becky. Had I originally noticed that it was you under "by", ct, I wouldn't have even bothered to answer. One idiot at a time is enough to deal with.)

BECKY: Your last sentence was garbled, but I take your meaning to be that you originally thought CT and I were the same person, but you were wrong. And we're the idiots. Is that what you meant?
 

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