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Free Palestine

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Re: Free Palestine

Free Palestianian WOMEN from Palestianian MEN

When names of nations are used in the news, it is shorthand either for MEN in general or specifically men in power that rule the nation.

Women of warring nations are dragged into mens idiotic primitive, knuckle-dragging, chest-beating wars.

"When the elephants fight, the grass gets crushed" is an African proverb. In this case the elephants are MEN and the crushed grass is women and their children.

In Robin Morgan's book The Demon Lover, there is a chapter about when she lived for a while in a Palestianian refugee camp.

She witnessed male violence against women such as beatings and enforced pregnancy, One women was forced by her husband to have TWENTY TWO children. She wanted to stop at four, but he became enraged and forbade abortion or birth control.

Finally, she persuaded a doctor to tell her husband she needed a hysterectomy since she had "cancer of the uterus"

After the operation the husband beat her in a fury because he was no longer capable of forcing her to have more of "his" children. After he beat her, she told Robin Morgan that she didnt care, because he was no longer capable of forcing her to bear martyrs for mens wars.

Its time for men to butt out and allow Palestinian AND Israeli WOMEN to have a voice in their nations' politics. Women are joining over battle lines in groups such as Bat Shalom because they are sick of being forced by MEN to give birth to martyrs.

ITS TIME FOR WOMEN TO GIVE THE FINGER TO MALE DOMINATION!
 

I couldn't agree more

Solving problems through aggression and coercion is a male phenomenon.

Yes, women give birth to men.
Yes, women participate in the war machine

But, if you examine prison admission statistics --where men and woman are both prohibitted from committing the crimes of assault and battery,
you find that men are overwhelmingly responsible for those kinds of crimes.

Women who are in prison, are typically there for forged checks, drug use and sales, and welfare fraud. In other words, non-violent crimes.

We have to stop this war-based society somehow and replace it with a more cooperative model where everyone gets their needs met. Its not a female phenomenon. We need to feminize the world politic.
 

Racist Israel has nothing to offer the women of the region except more bloodshed

The U.S. military, American oil corporations, and Islamic governments all conspire together to subjugate and rob the people of the Mid and Far East their resources and labor. While U.S. military aid helps prevent change; U.S. backed coups, U.S. bankrolled insurrections, and outright U.S. invasions have destroyed every government in the region that had more progressive policies towards women, yet she would have us believe that it is the Arabs that are to blame.

In addition, in a racist manner, she likes to somehow link the anti-woman crimes of pro-imperialist capitalist countries like Nigeria, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt to the Palestinian people. Yet she refuses to join the calls of human rights activists to end U.S. military aid to the repressive governments of these countries. This makes Becky Johnson MORE responsible for those repressive governments than those who suffer under them.

Soviet Central Asia had the most advanced status for women's rights in the region. The billions of dollars the U.S. poured into funding the Islamic holy war against women's rights and literacy in Afghanistan not only created the worst regime for women's rights in the world, it also aided in bringing on the capitalist counter-revolution in the Soviet Union. This has brought on a situation where healthcare, education, women's rights, and life expectancy have all dramatically declined in what was Soviet Central Asia.

U.S. intervention has created, and keeps in power, governments throughout the region that are hostile to women’s rights. Blaming Arabs for male governments that do not treat women well is like blaming the Croatian people for the Ustashi government of Nazi occupation. Ultimately Tito united the different nationalities and led the popular communist revolution against Nazi occupation that created Yugoslavia.

Ending U.S. military aid to all of the repressive regimes in the Mid and Far East would aid the people of the region in making their own revolutions against their oppressors. To the degree these revolutions are secular and socialist, women’s rights will advance. Within this context capitalist Israel with its racist hate for all who are not European Jews, has nothing to offer the women of the region except more bloodshed.
 

Steve--What progressive Arab country has the US destroyed?????

STEVE WROTE: "U.S. invasions have destroyed every government in the region that had more progressive policies towards women..."

BECKY: Oh yeah? name one.
 

Re: Free Palestine

Johnson takes what I wrote out of context.

What I actually said was, "While U.S. military aid helps prevent change; U.S. backed coups, U.S. bankrolled insurrections, and outright U.S. invasions have destroyed every government in the region that had more progressive policies towards women, yet she would have us believe that it is the Arabs that are to blame."

U.S. imperialism will never solve the question of women’s liberation in the Middle East. Unlike all of the US supported governments and forces in the Arab World, Iraqi women had many rights found nowhere else in the Arab World except in the Asian republics of the former Soviet Union. Before the U.S. invasion over 50% of Iraqi doctors were women. Iraqi women were allowed to walk unescorted in the streets. They were allowed to drive. Iraqi women could even freely criticize men. In addition Iraqi women had the right to work and control their own funds. This is in stark contrast to the treatment of women under the repressive U.S. backed governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia where women have no rights what-so-ever.
 

Until she calls for change, Johnson has nothing to say

When Is Johnson Going To Call For An End To U.S. Military Aid To Repressive Arab/Muslim World Governments?
 

So Iraq was the progressive country towards women that the US destroyed?

Iraq, prior to the Bush invasion in 2002, was headed by Saddam Hussein, a totalitarian military dictator, but a secular.

Hence, his government was more secularized than most Arab countries under sharia or Islamic religious law.

Okay, I agree with you partly.
Women in Iraq, prior to the U.S. invasion, did have more rights than, say in Saudi Arabia, where they are not allowed to drive a car, much less vote.

But I do not see how the U.S. invasion affected the overall rights of Iraqi women.

Obviously, Iraqi women who are trying to keep their households healthy and fed, would suffer by having to live in a war zone. I agree in advance, that the lives of Iraqi women have not been improved by the U.S. invasion at this moment in time.

But Iraqi women did vote in the January election. And the high turnout was a major positive benefit of the U.S. invasion.

I opposed the Iraqi war. I think Bush made a mistake by invading Iraq. But some good things CAN and have happened as a result of it too.

I see your point about Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and I agree with it. The U.S. support of those countries has more to do with keeping the cheap oil supply flowing than the rights of women in the region.

But getting back to the Palestinians and the Israelis. How can you possibly argue that women aren't better off living in Israel than in any Islamic country practising sharia including the PA?
 

Re: Free Palestine

Becky Johnson wrote: "But getting back to the Palestinians and the Israelis. How can you possibly argue that women aren't better off living in Israel than in any Islamic country practising sharia including the PA?"

Woman do not have political power in Palestine OR Israel—or the US

Men of the worlds nations keep on dressing alike and creating carnage.

The only difference between women's status in medieval nations like Afghanstan and their status in Israel (or the US) is that they are on a longer leash and suffer less. But they still suffer second class status and are dominated by men.

A leash is a leash.
 

I'm sorry but you've just dissed 150 years of feminist struggle

Women have a long ways to go before we have true equality in the world.

Women do 85% of the world's work
Earn 10% of its wages
And own 1% of the world's property.

Amazon Woman is right in that the accomplishments we have made so far are so tiny compared to what kind of changes would have to take place for women to have true equality.

That said, Amazon Woman degenerates into an everything is everything argument that completely dilutes any wisdom to might have imparted.

She insults the feminists of history who have fought for the rights of women to own property, to education, to hold public office, to have access to legal and safe birth control methods, to have the right to file charges against her husband, the right to divorce, the right to keep her children after divorce, the right to membership in formerly all-male clubs, the fight to make alcohol illegal, the fight to end slavery, and for welfare rights for poor women and children.

The leash you are referring to is an economic one. Change the economic structure and no more leash.
 

Re: Free Palestine

Johnson asks, "But I do not see how the U.S. invasion affected the overall rights of Iraqi women."

OK, I'll repeat myself, since you did not catch that Iwas not just talking about Iraq, I was talking about the entire region:

The U.S. military, American oil corporations, and Islamic governments all conspire together to subjugate and rob the people of the Mid and Far East their resources and labor. While U.S. military aid helps prevent change; U.S. backed coups, U.S. bankrolled insurrections, and outright U.S. invasions have destroyed every government in the region that had more progressive policies towards women, yet she would have us believe that it is the Arabs that are to blame.

In addition, in a racist manner, she likes to somehow link the anti-woman crimes of pro-imperialist capitalist countries like Nigeria, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt to the Palestinian people. Yet she refuses to join the calls of human rights activists to end U.S. military aid to the repressive governments of these countries. This makes Becky Johnson MORE responsible for those repressive governments than those who suffer under them.

Soviet Central Asia had the most advanced status for women's rights in the region. The billions of dollars the U.S. poured into funding the Islamic holy war against women's rights and literacy in Afghanistan not only created the worst regime for women's rights in the world, it also aided in bringing on the capitalist counter-revolution in the Soviet Union. This has brought on a situation where healthcare, education, women's rights, and life expectancy have all dramatically declined in what was Soviet Central Asia.

U.S. intervention has created, and keeps in power, governments throughout the region that are hostile to women’s rights. Blaming Arabs for male governments that do not treat women well is like blaming the Croatian people for the Ustashi government of Nazi occupation. Ultimately Tito united the different nationalities and led the popular communist revolution against Nazi occupation that created Yugoslavia.

Ending U.S. military aid to all of the repressive regimes in the Mid and Far East would aid the people of the region in making their own revolutions against their oppressors. To the degree these revolutions are secular and socialist, women’s rights will advance. Within this context capitalist Israel with its racist hate for all who are not European Jews, has nothing to offer the women of the region except more bloodshed.
 

So Iraq and Afghanistan were the progressive countries towards women that the USA destroyed?

Yes the Taliban had worse treatment of women than the Soviet backed government the US opposed.

You are talking about during the cold war, right?

I know you like to lump USA behavior with Israeli government behavior, but this is not really fair.

At the same time that the USA was fighting the
Soviets in Afghanistan (in another covert US war), Israel was breaking records for improving the status of women, offering rights that had been unheard of in the mideast until then.

As for Iraq, I don't think that women's status has changed that much from Saddam's administration to the USA puppet Iraqi administration.

However, across the Arab world, women's rights are dismal under Sharia or Islamic law.
 

U.S. Terrorism Has Shaped The Entire Region

No Johnson, I am not talking about just Afghanistan and Iraq, I am talking about the entire region. Perhaps she should go back and read what I wrote.

Johnson writes, "I know you like to lump USA behavior with Israeli government behavior, but this is not really fair."

Johnson, you miss my entire point. I am pointing out that the Arab and traditionally Muslim world has been terrorized and controlled by U.S. imperialism in the forms that I have stated.

This includes the massive U.S. aid given to repressive governments that prevent pro-woman governments from coming to power. People who stand up to these anti-woman governments in Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere are murdered with weapons supplied by the United States.

Likewise governments that stand up in any meaningful way to the status quo of oil-labor-woman exploitation set by U.S. imperialism are also destroyed by the United States.

This includes the massive intervention by the U.S. government against the left progressive PDPA government in Afghanistan, an intervention that not only installed the worst government in the world on women's rights, but also played a huge role in destroying the Soviet Union and thus those progressive women's policies in Soviet Central Asia

This intervention also includes the U.S. overthrow of the democratically elected left-progressive Mossadeq government in 1953 to impose the U.S. puppet Shah of Iran who used vicious repression against the people to defend U.S. oil exploitation in the country. See:

www.paperlessarchives.com/iran.html

As a result of that 1953 intervention by the United States a revolution happened in Iran in 1979 against the Shah, but unlike the Mossadeq government this backlash produced the semi-fascistic anti-woman government of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

This is just a small taste of what I’m talking about when I’m pointing out that the entire political map of the region has been shaped by U.S. terrorism. I do this partly to respond to Johnson’s claim that Arabs are all bad people who oppress women, by pointing out that the United States has never allowed anything else.
 

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