Finally an intelligent if flawed argument Jake but you couldn't resist a little dig could you?

I dont think I understand why a collobarator is a weapon of the Israeli occupation. Maybe they are people of conscience just as you see refuseniks...maybe they see the damage that the intifida has done to the Palestinian people or the immorality of targeting civilians and using selected passages of Islam as justification.

Secondly why do you feel the need to justify executions of said people by playing down the numbers...if you're going to say extra-judicial killings are highly illegal then be consistent. If people who against the national cause are dealt with harshly then maybe you could explain the difference between that treatment and Israel's treatment (which doesn't include executions). If you want specific examples how about Tennaunbaum, a suspected arms smuggler, who was saved from captivity in exchange for hundreds of prisoners.

Just because it was done in South Africa Jake doesn't make it right...plenty of things were done there at that time which weren't right and necklacing was one of them.

Why are my comments devoid of context? Is it because I haven't felt the need to post personal and individual stories which you can never prove or disprove as you have done?

Finally let's not be naive about this, your political objectives are clearly pro-Palestinian and you seem to have very little interest in a balanced accout of events. After your time in the territories go and spend time in Sedot (frequently attacked by rockets) or in Jerusalem and take the bus every day, get a balanced perspective Jake because this isn't a one sided situation.

There is a funademntal difference between the actions of the Israeli army and the armed terrorist factions in the territories and that is whether civilians are collateral damage or civilains are the main target. Israel has made mistakes, costly ones, for which it should apologise but its tactic has NEVER been to blow up buses of school children or teenagers preparing to go out. Nor is Israel sworn to the destruction of the Palestinian peopl, in stark contrast to Hamas' aims of driving Israel into the sea.

Jake, you accuse me of not understanding Palestinian society then explain it to me...Why is there no major media or public backlash against Palestinian terrorism against Israel? It doesn't seem that its popular since when given a chance the people voted for Abbas who stood against armed struggle. Where was the cry to stop armed violence at any point in the past four years?

You know all this, i'm sure you do but you have decided to take a blinkered look and thats pointless because if the Palestinian people refuse to take any responsibility for the situation then peace won't be achieved. Luckly, I believe, the people spoke on Sunday and voted for someone who realises that upholding Hamas and Islamic Jihad won't achieve peace, prosperity or security for the Palestinian people.

Jake i'm willing to accept that you come from a different viewpoint to me but that doesn't make you uneducated it makes you different.I'll leave you with two questions:

1) Why do militans surround themselves with children when they know they're a target?
2) What has the intifida achieved for the Palestinan people?