Not being from Santa Cruz i've clearly got myself in the middle of some kind of turf war that I don't want to be involved in.

Steve, you and I have a very different understanding of history and historical facts. Quoting Trotsky doesn't prove a point. You can't possibly ignore the theories of cumilitive radicalisation put forward by so many distinguished historians. I was merely trying to point out to you and anyone reading this that this subject is FAR more complex then you are willig to admit, hence the plethora of printed works on exactly that question.

Your attempts to blame the Jews are massivly out of place and completly off the mark. I hope that you've never studied history because that gives you some kind of excuse for the quality of your arguments.

As i said at the start I was hoping for intelligent debate but seeing as on here its an argument between whoever you guys all are I don't want to be involved.