>While you label the military an orginination
>thats sole purpose is to kill children and
>destroy families,
Oh, no. I didn't say that such acts are the *sole purpose* of the US military. They're not. The primary purpose of the US military is to maintain and expand economic and political control around the world for the US corporate government.
The children, families, villages which are raped, murdered, burnt, destroyed... their deaths are often incidental to the primary objective(s).
>you overlook the some of the other horrible
>things the military has done.
I apologize that I mentioned only a few of the millions of atrocities and other crimes against humanity committed by the US military.
>-The Military provieded over 50% of the
>disaster relief after the tsunami.
This could easily be accomplished by a non-military force.
>-The Military is the same horrible orginization
> that saves people when natural disasters strike
> here at home.
As before, such actions could easily be accomplished by a non-military force.
>Go and see an Army national gaurd
>Armory in the winter? They provide the homeless
>with food, showers and shelter.
Awww... that's so sweet. Although those same actions could be provided by a non-military force, I'd prefer to imagine the HOMES that we could have provided to those homeless folks by spending TRILLIONS of dollars on internal infrastructure instead of continually pouring down the murder hole.
>-When impovershed countries are starving or
>dying of disease who has the ability to go
>in short notice to help? the military...
Yes, yes. They're well-trained in the "art" of invading foreign countries. But as for bringing in food on short notice, I've seen nothing to make me believe that the same services couldn't be provided with equal or greater efficiency by the UN WHO (World Health Org) or perhaps the Red Cross.
>While the current war is a confusing and horrible
> thing, do not forget that the military still
> renders aid anywhere, anytime.
Anywhere, anytime, huh?
Wounded Knee: Mass murder of civilians.
Hiroshima: Mass murder of civilians.
My Lai: Mass murder of civilians.
Fallujah: Mass murder of civilians.
>Have you ever actually talked with a soldier?
Maternal grandfather served in the Pacific in WWII.
Paternal grandfather shot down, MIA in Korea.
Some family friends returned from Vietnam, though others did not.
Close friend served on front lines of Gulf War I. Made it back, but struggled with his physical and psychological health due to the outrageous horrors he was part of in Iraq. He disappeared a while back.
I've also spoken with Camilo Mejia, who was in charge of a unit in Iraq, but over time had a shift in conscience, finally declaring himself a Conscientious Objector. He spent 9 months in a military prison for his refusal to continue his participation in war.
>We are not killers waiting to kill.
>We do much more than that.
That doesn't change the fact that you kill. No matter haw many good deeds you do, you'll never make up for your unbelievable violence.
The knowing killing of innocent persons is murder. Each of us has a moral and ethical obligation to refuse to engage in such acts.
>As a human if you were hit by a car I would
>drop what I was doing and do my best to help
>you live, not kill you.
But in Iraq, you would fire 50 rounds into the car. You'd hit my whole community with cluster bombs.
You, as an individual, might wish to do good. But when you affiliate yourself with the US military, you pratically guarantee that you will wind up being part of crimes against humanity.
>As an American who lives in the same country
>as I do, I would support and defend your rights
>to demonstrate.
Then how about you help do something about police brutality? 'Cuz I'm not really too concerned about whomever the WhiteHouse has announced as the official Enemy-of-the-Week. Osama and Saddam and all those other bogeymen live on The Other Side of the World.
>I would even laydown my life for the fact
>that you can do that.
That's very noble of you. Really, I'm not kidding. But it seems like all your good intentions get misdirected by rich, powerful men so that instead of risking (and perhaps, losing) your life to protect freedom, they send you around the world and put your life at risk (and kill other people) in order to promote their business interests, to increase their profit margin. That's not fair to you or me.
>But I would never, insult who you work for,what you believe in or why you believe in it.
You'd never insult who I work for? WHY?
Do you really think so highly of my boss? Or is it just a respect for employers, in general?
Insult what I believe in?
What I believe in is insulted and rejected with every bullet fired and every bomb dropped. Every time a little kid (and anyone else) gets his arms blown off, or is ripped to bloody pieces, by another immoral, criminal US-made and US-delivered cluster bomb is a gross insult to everything I believe in.
Food Not Bombs
Date Edited: 19 Jul 2005 06:25:20 AM
>thats sole purpose is to kill children and
>destroy families,
Oh, no. I didn't say that such acts are the *sole purpose* of the US military. They're not. The primary purpose of the US military is to maintain and expand economic and political control around the world for the US corporate government.
The children, families, villages which are raped, murdered, burnt, destroyed... their deaths are often incidental to the primary objective(s).
>you overlook the some of the other horrible
>things the military has done.
I apologize that I mentioned only a few of the millions of atrocities and other crimes against humanity committed by the US military.
>-The Military provieded over 50% of the
>disaster relief after the tsunami.
This could easily be accomplished by a non-military force.
>-The Military is the same horrible orginization
> that saves people when natural disasters strike
> here at home.
As before, such actions could easily be accomplished by a non-military force.
>Go and see an Army national gaurd
>Armory in the winter? They provide the homeless
>with food, showers and shelter.
Awww... that's so sweet. Although those same actions could be provided by a non-military force, I'd prefer to imagine the HOMES that we could have provided to those homeless folks by spending TRILLIONS of dollars on internal infrastructure instead of continually pouring down the murder hole.
>-When impovershed countries are starving or
>dying of disease who has the ability to go
>in short notice to help? the military...
Yes, yes. They're well-trained in the "art" of invading foreign countries. But as for bringing in food on short notice, I've seen nothing to make me believe that the same services couldn't be provided with equal or greater efficiency by the UN WHO (World Health Org) or perhaps the Red Cross.
>While the current war is a confusing and horrible
> thing, do not forget that the military still
> renders aid anywhere, anytime.
Anywhere, anytime, huh?
Wounded Knee: Mass murder of civilians.
Hiroshima: Mass murder of civilians.
My Lai: Mass murder of civilians.
Fallujah: Mass murder of civilians.
>Have you ever actually talked with a soldier?
Maternal grandfather served in the Pacific in WWII.
Paternal grandfather shot down, MIA in Korea.
Some family friends returned from Vietnam, though others did not.
Close friend served on front lines of Gulf War I. Made it back, but struggled with his physical and psychological health due to the outrageous horrors he was part of in Iraq. He disappeared a while back.
I've also spoken with Camilo Mejia, who was in charge of a unit in Iraq, but over time had a shift in conscience, finally declaring himself a Conscientious Objector. He spent 9 months in a military prison for his refusal to continue his participation in war.
>We are not killers waiting to kill.
>We do much more than that.
That doesn't change the fact that you kill. No matter haw many good deeds you do, you'll never make up for your unbelievable violence.
The knowing killing of innocent persons is murder. Each of us has a moral and ethical obligation to refuse to engage in such acts.
>As a human if you were hit by a car I would
>drop what I was doing and do my best to help
>you live, not kill you.
But in Iraq, you would fire 50 rounds into the car. You'd hit my whole community with cluster bombs.
You, as an individual, might wish to do good. But when you affiliate yourself with the US military, you pratically guarantee that you will wind up being part of crimes against humanity.
>As an American who lives in the same country
>as I do, I would support and defend your rights
>to demonstrate.
Then how about you help do something about police brutality? 'Cuz I'm not really too concerned about whomever the WhiteHouse has announced as the official Enemy-of-the-Week. Osama and Saddam and all those other bogeymen live on The Other Side of the World.
>I would even laydown my life for the fact
>that you can do that.
That's very noble of you. Really, I'm not kidding. But it seems like all your good intentions get misdirected by rich, powerful men so that instead of risking (and perhaps, losing) your life to protect freedom, they send you around the world and put your life at risk (and kill other people) in order to promote their business interests, to increase their profit margin. That's not fair to you or me.
>But I would never, insult who you work for,what you believe in or why you believe in it.
You'd never insult who I work for? WHY?
Do you really think so highly of my boss? Or is it just a respect for employers, in general?
Insult what I believe in?
What I believe in is insulted and rejected with every bullet fired and every bomb dropped. Every time a little kid (and anyone else) gets his arms blown off, or is ripped to bloody pieces, by another immoral, criminal US-made and US-delivered cluster bomb is a gross insult to everything I believe in.
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