> Given the fact that federal law supercedes state law
What part of the 10th Amendment dont you understand?
"Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Read it. Read it again. Now tell me, where does the Constitution address the issue of drug sales, drug possession, and drug use?
The official answer is the Commerce clause. It is the basis of every law written by Congress which does not have a more explicit Constitutional authority. Have you ever actually looked at it for yourself?
"Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
Quiz time:
Was WAMM engaging in commerce (commercial activity, i.e. trade or sales) with citizens of a foreign nation?
With citizens of another state?
With citizens of an Indian reservation?
NO. Every WAMM patient was a citizen of California, residing in California.
Let me spell that out for you. N - O. "No" means "no". Say it with me - nnnnnoooooooo.
Next! Was WAMM engaging in trade or sales with ANYONE? Were money or goods or services being exchanged for marijuana at WAMM?
NO! People worked in the garden, helping one another to grow plants. Those plants were then harvested and released to patients in a controlled manner to reduce exposing members to risk of robbery by criminal elements (which wouldnt BE a problem if the fucking cops would mind their own business and let the laws of supply and demand do their thing).
> the DEA is a federal agency that is merely enforcing
> existing federal law
All free-willed people are directly and wholly responsible for their own actions. ALL PEOPLE. Getting a paycheck to do someone else's dirty work does not relieve anyone of responsibility for their own actions.
Slave traders owned and even executed slaves in accordance with American colonial "law". Nazi leiutenants stormed the doors of Jewish-owned businesses and homes with the full blessings of "law". The British crown's utterly arbitrary rulings against any subject of the Empire were in full compliance with British "law".
Gravity is a law. The speed of light, the speed of sound, conservation of momentum - these are laws. Your "law" means nothing. It's an opinion, expressed by people in power, backed by a threat, written down, and held up high like some holy thing.
> as interpreted by the supreme court
.. an insitution that also once condoned the legality of slavery. They may be some of the highest legal minds in the nation, but if they don't know right from wrong they're
no better than the average Joe off the street. No, they're worse - they're ex-lawyers.
> You see, US sovereignty and policy, despite the grotesque
> imagery of camoflaged armed agents confronting people in
> wheelchairs, does indeed extend into the beautiful,
> fertile hills of California!
This isn't United States policy. This is Washington DC's policy. California is a part of the United States, and therefore its law is a part of US law as a whole. It is not federal law, but it is US law.
As for sovereignty, don't make me sick. What about California sovereignty? Why do you think each state was allowd to write its own Constitution? We're supposed to be AUTONOMOUS states, self-ruling, with the federal system in place to manage foreign relations and disputes BETWEEN the States.
That's like holding your hand over someone's mouth while you rant about YOUR right to freedom of speech. What utter bullshit.
> Medical dopers just need to send back a firmer message
> back to Washington D.C.; I thought we had a real war to
> fight...
We ARE fighting a real war - the war on drugs, which is a war on innocent Americans who are "guilty" of nothing more than engaging in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And just like Afghanistan, it's a war against people who are woefully unable to defend themselves even in their own homes.
The war on drugs is a war on unarmed, peaceful civilians. In the case of medical marijuana, it's even a war on sick and dying civilians. Which makes every drug warrior out there the lowest, most despicable, most DISHONORABLE SACK OF SHIT around.
These people are neither brave nor noble. They're not even ordinary. They're a bunch of sadistic cowards who found their calling when they were bullying kids on the playground.
All this unconstitutional drug prohibition isn't about right and wrong. It's about dominance and submission. It's about power.
federal law vs state law
Date Edited: 06 Oct 2002 10:51:04 PM
What part of the 10th Amendment dont you understand?
"Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Read it. Read it again. Now tell me, where does the Constitution address the issue of drug sales, drug possession, and drug use?
The official answer is the Commerce clause. It is the basis of every law written by Congress which does not have a more explicit Constitutional authority. Have you ever actually looked at it for yourself?
"Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
Quiz time:
Was WAMM engaging in commerce (commercial activity, i.e. trade or sales) with citizens of a foreign nation?
With citizens of another state?
With citizens of an Indian reservation?
NO. Every WAMM patient was a citizen of California, residing in California.
Let me spell that out for you. N - O. "No" means "no". Say it with me - nnnnnoooooooo.
Next! Was WAMM engaging in trade or sales with ANYONE? Were money or goods or services being exchanged for marijuana at WAMM?
NO! People worked in the garden, helping one another to grow plants. Those plants were then harvested and released to patients in a controlled manner to reduce exposing members to risk of robbery by criminal elements (which wouldnt BE a problem if the fucking cops would mind their own business and let the laws of supply and demand do their thing).
> the DEA is a federal agency that is merely enforcing
> existing federal law
All free-willed people are directly and wholly responsible for their own actions. ALL PEOPLE. Getting a paycheck to do someone else's dirty work does not relieve anyone of responsibility for their own actions.
Slave traders owned and even executed slaves in accordance with American colonial "law". Nazi leiutenants stormed the doors of Jewish-owned businesses and homes with the full blessings of "law". The British crown's utterly arbitrary rulings against any subject of the Empire were in full compliance with British "law".
Gravity is a law. The speed of light, the speed of sound, conservation of momentum - these are laws. Your "law" means nothing. It's an opinion, expressed by people in power, backed by a threat, written down, and held up high like some holy thing.
> as interpreted by the supreme court
.. an insitution that also once condoned the legality of slavery. They may be some of the highest legal minds in the nation, but if they don't know right from wrong they're
no better than the average Joe off the street. No, they're worse - they're ex-lawyers.
> You see, US sovereignty and policy, despite the grotesque
> imagery of camoflaged armed agents confronting people in
> wheelchairs, does indeed extend into the beautiful,
> fertile hills of California!
This isn't United States policy. This is Washington DC's policy. California is a part of the United States, and therefore its law is a part of US law as a whole. It is not federal law, but it is US law.
As for sovereignty, don't make me sick. What about California sovereignty? Why do you think each state was allowd to write its own Constitution? We're supposed to be AUTONOMOUS states, self-ruling, with the federal system in place to manage foreign relations and disputes BETWEEN the States.
That's like holding your hand over someone's mouth while you rant about YOUR right to freedom of speech. What utter bullshit.
> Medical dopers just need to send back a firmer message
> back to Washington D.C.; I thought we had a real war to
> fight...
We ARE fighting a real war - the war on drugs, which is a war on innocent Americans who are "guilty" of nothing more than engaging in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And just like Afghanistan, it's a war against people who are woefully unable to defend themselves even in their own homes.
The war on drugs is a war on unarmed, peaceful civilians. In the case of medical marijuana, it's even a war on sick and dying civilians. Which makes every drug warrior out there the lowest, most despicable, most DISHONORABLE SACK OF SHIT around.
These people are neither brave nor noble. They're not even ordinary. They're a bunch of sadistic cowards who found their calling when they were bullying kids on the playground.
All this unconstitutional drug prohibition isn't about right and wrong. It's about dominance and submission. It's about power.
-Van
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