n5667: "Illegal immigration is the symptom of a problem that does not reside in the U.S."
This sort of argument is even dumber than your more common refrain of "you represent extremist views and the majority of people do not agree with you" (attempting to preclude any rational discussion of what someone is actually saying). Do you think the United States exists in a vacuum?
You may think that child labor or poor working conditions are a problem in poor countries, whereas in the US many children are lucky enough to learn how to be a boss and get rich. And certainly it is more pleasant to learn such things than work 60 hours a week in a sweatshop, but the problem (for the working class and for your idiotic capitalist ideology) is that one implies the other. Especially in this age of neo-liberalism and globalization, it is incredibly untenable to claim that the problem resides elswhere. Capitalism produces poverty just as surely as it produces wealth. You know this. But since you side with the wealthy and powerful against the working class, you claim that WE must protect OUR wealth, hoping that workers (and I am not saying this is an unsuccessful tactic) will identify with the interests of the nation-state (i.e. those of the capitalist class) in which they reside and not with their social class. This forces you to obscure the reality of a global capitalism, and the reality of a global resistance to capitalism. And whenever you notice any anti-capitalist resistance in the news, it scares and puzzles you. It makes little sense within the narrow logic of nationalism and wage-labor. You denounce extremists and their idiocy, their impracticality, their childishness, etc. The rest of the world, to you, represents this childishness. It needs to "get its act together." You are incapable of understanding capitalism and resistance to it, because you look at everyone as a citizen, a taxpayer, a voter, a political opin ion. We are people also, exploited people who daily experience a reality of alienation, conflict, and class struggle. And this is what shapes the world you live in. Not political opinions. And this is the world some of us (i.e. in Sacramento) are resisting. But you cannot understand being against law and order, it is utterly impracticle within capitalism (the only reality). And reality cannot change except through piecemeal "realistic" reforms. Right? Actually you are quite wrong in this (obviously). It is no wonder that you cannot fathom the concept of a common humanity. You want no part in such a project and will continue to be on the side of the nation, the borders, the cops, and capitalism, things which you will try endlessly to separate from one another in people's minds, especially when their interrelation is extremely apparent.
Re: The People Confront Racist Minutemen in Sacramento
Date Edited: 01 Nov 2005 09:30:08 AM
This sort of argument is even dumber than your more common refrain of "you represent extremist views and the majority of people do not agree with you" (attempting to preclude any rational discussion of what someone is actually saying). Do you think the United States exists in a vacuum?
You may think that child labor or poor working conditions are a problem in poor countries, whereas in the US many children are lucky enough to learn how to be a boss and get rich. And certainly it is more pleasant to learn such things than work 60 hours a week in a sweatshop, but the problem (for the working class and for your idiotic capitalist ideology) is that one implies the other. Especially in this age of neo-liberalism and globalization, it is incredibly untenable to claim that the problem resides elswhere. Capitalism produces poverty just as surely as it produces wealth. You know this. But since you side with the wealthy and powerful against the working class, you claim that WE must protect OUR wealth, hoping that workers (and I am not saying this is an unsuccessful tactic) will identify with the interests of the nation-state (i.e. those of the capitalist class) in which they reside and not with their social class. This forces you to obscure the reality of a global capitalism, and the reality of a global resistance to capitalism. And whenever you notice any anti-capitalist resistance in the news, it scares and puzzles you. It makes little sense within the narrow logic of nationalism and wage-labor. You denounce extremists and their idiocy, their impracticality, their childishness, etc. The rest of the world, to you, represents this childishness. It needs to "get its act together." You are incapable of understanding capitalism and resistance to it, because you look at everyone as a citizen, a taxpayer, a voter, a political opin ion. We are people also, exploited people who daily experience a reality of alienation, conflict, and class struggle. And this is what shapes the world you live in. Not political opinions. And this is the world some of us (i.e. in Sacramento) are resisting. But you cannot understand being against law and order, it is utterly impracticle within capitalism (the only reality). And reality cannot change except through piecemeal "realistic" reforms. Right? Actually you are quite wrong in this (obviously). It is no wonder that you cannot fathom the concept of a common humanity. You want no part in such a project and will continue to be on the side of the nation, the borders, the cops, and capitalism, things which you will try endlessly to separate from one another in people's minds, especially when their interrelation is extremely apparent.
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