"So, for someone who wants to play this game (politics), you have to claim to represent the public interest. Now, someone who does not want to play this game (someone who takes direct action) does not seek the same support for their action, but probably sees the benefit in the target destroyed or in whatever positive ideas others may take out of the action."
What do you mean by direct action? Considering what statement of mine you are rebutting, I assume it is circumventing the laws of society through physical actions (be it against person or property). But if your side can utilize it, so too can the other side, and rather than progress or at least compromise you merely get destruction. At least, that's what I'm gleaning from the comment, perhaps you can clarify.
"So, some will sing their praises to the accumulating wealth, and others have to go on strike and fight for it, steal it to survive, and in revolutionary situations, expropriate it from those who accumulate it based on the value they (as a class) produce."
Yes they will, but let's be honest, most Americans have obtained a wonderful existance, I don't know about you, but living in a society where are greatest risks come from excess and hedonism isn't so horrible. Certainly there are grave problems that need to be dealt with, indeed the division of wealth is unfair, but put up next to anything else history has witnessed, it is a wonderful life... Even if you are the poor and down trodden forced to watch their cable on a 32" T.V rather than a 70" widescreen.
"I do not defend or apologize for this legacy (you are used to arguing with idiots like Steve Argue who do), but rather defend the legacy of worker's councils and proletarian struggle outside and against the unions and political parties who seek to manage one or another form of capitalism."
I didn't mean to imply you supported communism, I was using it as the obvious example that considering all known alternatives, capitalism is ideal - or at least, our hybrid state of capitalism mixed with socialism-lite is.
But humor me, tell me, what this...not state, but existance would be? Surely you're not suggesting we "destroy our current system in favor of something that must be superior, but I have no idea what it is..."
"Capitalism is not the cause of all pain and suffering. And it is incredibly adaptable, and works well for some. But it also MUST do this through war, dispossession, destruction of the earth, and MOST obviously, the production of wealth and poverty."
Re: The People Confront Racist Minutemen in Sacramento
Date Edited: 02 Nov 2005 03:51:01 PM
What do you mean by direct action? Considering what statement of mine you are rebutting, I assume it is circumventing the laws of society through physical actions (be it against person or property). But if your side can utilize it, so too can the other side, and rather than progress or at least compromise you merely get destruction. At least, that's what I'm gleaning from the comment, perhaps you can clarify.
"So, some will sing their praises to the accumulating wealth, and others have to go on strike and fight for it, steal it to survive, and in revolutionary situations, expropriate it from those who accumulate it based on the value they (as a class) produce."
Yes they will, but let's be honest, most Americans have obtained a wonderful existance, I don't know about you, but living in a society where are greatest risks come from excess and hedonism isn't so horrible. Certainly there are grave problems that need to be dealt with, indeed the division of wealth is unfair, but put up next to anything else history has witnessed, it is a wonderful life... Even if you are the poor and down trodden forced to watch their cable on a 32" T.V rather than a 70" widescreen.
"I do not defend or apologize for this legacy (you are used to arguing with idiots like Steve Argue who do), but rather defend the legacy of worker's councils and proletarian struggle outside and against the unions and political parties who seek to manage one or another form of capitalism."
I didn't mean to imply you supported communism, I was using it as the obvious example that considering all known alternatives, capitalism is ideal - or at least, our hybrid state of capitalism mixed with socialism-lite is.
But humor me, tell me, what this...not state, but existance would be? Surely you're not suggesting we "destroy our current system in favor of something that must be superior, but I have no idea what it is..."
"Capitalism is not the cause of all pain and suffering. And it is incredibly adaptable, and works well for some. But it also MUST do this through war, dispossession, destruction of the earth, and MOST obviously, the production of wealth and poverty."
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