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Tired of Trolls? A Proposal to Deal With State-Racist Ideologists

The Troll Problem: Collect posts for a people's tribunal or for eventual war crimes prosecution.
Tired of Trolls? A Proposal to Deal With State-Racist Ideologists

Rather than spend time deleting posts, which may occasionally contain actual information, I propose the following strategy. Posts by persons who are active apologists for Israeli crimes should be copied and collated for the following purposes:

1) referal to prosecution at a future day.

a) By a people's tribunal or
b) By World Court prosecutors
c) US Federal Court
d) German court under German law, which allows prosecution of war criminals

2) creating public domain rebutals that can be cut and pasted
Note: This would be quite useful as the State Racist Ideologists tend to spam their hate writings throughout the internet. For instance, Becky Johnson, who appears to be in the pay of the most extreme factions of the Likud settler movement, has posted an idiotic FAQ-type propaganda piece on indymedia sites throughout the whole world. The problem with deleting or IP banning her from indymedia santacruz is that she will spew her hate propaganda world wide, often on unsuspecting readers who will not know of her more egregious posts which show her "true colors". The same could be applied to her henchmen/handlers.

3) Use for reverse engineering their propaganda sheets. For instance, the notorious Fact sheet on Israel co-authored by Becky Johnson could be reverse engineered into a "Common Lies about Palestine."

4) Her posts, and those of persons like her elsewhere, can be used to create a basis for obtaining psychiatric committment when they verge into violent and paranoid rhetoric. For instance, Becky Johnson now claims that she is "Being stalked" and whines about purported "death threats". Do these posts correleate to marijuana or other intoxicant use, or with mere mental disease? These are questions that can only be answered - and treated - locally. Indymedia and other "target" media will have little knowledge of these issues. But when these paranoid posts appear, and then, converging on say, a city council meeting, the unmistakable smell of mry jane is in the air, evidence can be developed that may enable us to get this woman the help she needs.

5) Finally, the proposal to archive, rebut, and categorize those posts will empower indymedia to move forward free of allegations of censorship.

Food for thought, anyway.
Comments are welcome from any and all,
but please, lay off the cannabis when replying.
 
 


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Re: Tired of Trolls? A Proposal to Deal With State-Racist Ideologists

How about requiring two or more sources for posts, as in traditional print journalism?
Otherwise, they are seen as either rants or just hearsay.
 

SC IMC shouldn't be used for personal attacks

I welcome debates with anyone on the issues I have written about.

I am not paid for my postings on IMC. I am a member of Dafka but as a volunteer.
I have been posting on IMC's for over 5 years now on any number of issues.

I am villified for supporting Israel but those who oppose me have issued death threats, called me all sorts of names, dragged my personal life into these debates, and accused me of associations and funding that do not exist.

My advice to those who disagree with me is this---do your own research and come in here and debate the merit of the issues.

Leave personal attacks and name-calling out of it.
 

Re: Tired of Trolls? A Proposal to Deal With State-Racist Ideologists

villified for supporting Israel

No. For lying about Israel's misconduct.
 

Calling someone a "troll" is bigotry and dehumanization

"Becky Johnson, who appears to be in the pay of the most extreme factions of the Likud settler movement, has posted an idiotic FAQ-type propaganda piece on indymedia sites throughout the whole world."

BECKY: My article "Most Asked Questions on the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict" (co-authored by Lee Kaplan) has been posted on websites all over the world, but NOT on any IMC.

"Eyes of the People" condemns me for articles posted on other websites, which seems a little strange. If "eyes" disagrees with any of my postings HERE, please post your own response which hopefully debunks my post with facts and evidence rather than name-calling and threats.

Your complete lack of sympathy for me when the SC IMC website has been used to issue death threats against me and Lee Kaplan, to falsely accuse Dafka of being involved in another death threat when there was no involvement, and threats by others to stalk me and/or follow me home, makes me believe you actually support such criminal behavior.
 

True Debate Requires Rational Actors

Becky says:
"do your own research and come in here and debate the merit of the issues."

We tried that, Becky, but it became clear that, like any other fanatic, you have dispensed with reason in favor of dogma.

As such, no real debate occurs... People convincingly refute your "points" and you respond by naysaying them and then repeating your hateful, racist dogma.

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"As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese milita--paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally--hacking and raping and murdering their way through refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead."
~Noam Chomsky, Sept 12, 2001
 

Lying?

Reply to Darin: What lies have I told?
Please name just one, as an example, and let's discuss it. Lets let the readers decide who's lying and who is telling the truth.

If you can't name even one lie, please issue a retraction and an apology.
 

Re: Tired of Trolls? A Proposal to Deal With State-Racist Ideologists

"in the pay of the most extreme factions of the Likud settler movement"

~

To disprove, let's scrutinize all checking accounts of your pro-Zionist organizations open the books. Perhaps there will be a subpeona for that purpose.
 

NO!! That's a lie YOU told!

"in the pay of the most extreme factions of the Likud settler movement"

I have volunteered that I am not paid for any of my articles other than those I write for Street Spirit magazine on homeless issues.

But you said that I tell lies. I asked you, Darin, to name just ONE lie I have told. Instead, you made a groundless accusation, completely unsupported except by your own paranoia ---that I am being paid for my pro-Israel writings.

I think you have your facts turned around too. The Likud is the political party, Ariel Sharon belongs to. It is secular. I am not a member of the Likud. The "settler" movement, is a religiously-inspired movement of mostly orthodox Jews who believe that the Torah is evidence that all of Israel belongs to the Jewish people, hence Jews should live in all parts of Israel.

These same teachings do NOT call for expelling all non-Jews from the land, just that the lands belong --due to God having given them --to the Jewish people.

In either case, while I have a general knowledge of these different factions in Israel and some idea of their positions, I am not in their employ, nor do I speak exclusively to their interests.

As for me opening up my personal financial records to you or anyone else for that matter, that is a ridiculous request, and one you would not honor in the reverse.

If a court case generates a subpoena, I will of course make those records available.
 

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