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The "comment" feature is a really good place to give feedback on articles, photos, audio, and video. Another good place to have your voice heard is the clock tower. Grab some cardboard and markers and make a point.
While holding a banner this evening on the corner of Pacific/Front St. and Water St. that read:

(((i))) indymedia.org

a man walked up to me and asked if I was Indymedia (or something along those lines) and since I was holding a banner that read "indymedia.org" I said yes (in the sense that we are all indymedia, and no one is indymedia).

Then he got closer and asked if I was Vangelis. I said no.

At this point the gentleman stepped into my 24inches of personal space loudly claiming (in a threatening tone) that Vangelis was a huge problem and saying that it was bad idea to make enemies in a small town.

Of course walking up to somebody, asking them if they are "Vangelis", getting in their face, and loudly talking shit, before walking away without allowing the opportunity for a productive conversation is really not a great way of staying "neutral," let alone make friends.

It was not a pleasant experience, but it helps assure that we are really on to something. Maybe this guy reads Santa Cruz Indymedia and maybe he doesn't. If he does read sc-imc, then he should be familiar with the
"Make a quick comment on this article" feature that is a part of every single open-publishing newswire post.

The "comment" feature is a really good place to give feedback on articles, photos, audio, and video. Another good place to have your voice heard is the clock tower. Grab some cardboard and markers and make a point.

But please do not confront me (or anyone else) in a threatening tone. Indymedia is a great place to speak your mind. Hit "publish" not me.
 
 


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geezus, what now

So many shit heads, so little time.

To the anonymous fellow looking for me:

Long black hair, black clothes, black boots, camcorder on tripod with a half mile of misc cables dangling.. You can't miss me. In fact, I'll be back at the clock tower 4p Friday filming the Youth Action Coalition rally.

If you're going to play stupid little intimidation games, at least get the right person. Sheesh.

-Van
 

don't hide so many stories

As far as using the "comment" fields, I have to say that I have lately decided that a posting from "Jack" must be equivalent to clicking the "hide" button. I'll spend several minutes writing a comment to some story, only to find later in the day that the article to which it is attached (sometimes brand new, first posted that day) has been "hidden, with no reason given (or evident). A back-of-the-envelope estimate of the percentage of articles "hidden" within a day or so of my comments being added to them is at least 75%. It would be one thing if I knew the criteria that qualify an article to be "hidden" (e.g., age, popularity, presence of inflammatory or libelous comments, etc.), but I can't find that explanation anywhere, and I can't detect any obvious commonality between the articles bearing Jack's comments that have been hidden, except for the presence of Jack's byline. Yet surely an alternative media outlet like this one isn't censoring the postings of individual writers! It's a mystery, all the more so because some articles with "Jack" comments attached have persisted for weeks on the main page. There seems to be no rhyme or reason.

I don't know about the intimidating fellow who was looking for "Vangelis" at the protest (_I_ honk when I drive by :-), but speaking for myself, I can testify that spending time and effort to comment on a story, only to have one's thoughts buried in the "admin page" almost immediately afterward, is most discouraging. If you want people to be satisfied with publishing their ideas via the "submit comment" mechanism, then they must be given their fair shot to attract the attention of those who visit this site.

Please publish -- or, if already published, please plainly show where to find -- the criteria used for deciding whether and when an article will be "hidden." That way, those of us who intend our writing to be read by others can judge whether or not we want to spend time commenting on a particular story.
 

SC-IMC Editorial Policy

SC-IMC Editorial Policy
santacruz.indymedia.org/ed_policy.html
 

"locals only" seems the rule

Thanks to MERLYN for posting the link. I believe I have read that policy before, yet have still been unable to second-guess the admins before posting comments to articles that were later hidden on account of their "non-local" content or irrelevance to local concerns. Maybe my mis-judgment in these cases is just a personal problem on my part. I'll pay more attention to article content before I post any comments.

On the other hand, if local people post comments that bring the discussion down into the realm of relevance to local concerns, I would hope that the IMC would respect the nature of THAT content and leave the entire thing "showing" (article and related comments). Just a thought and suggestion. Thanks again.
 

to Jack

> Maybe my mis-judgment in these cases is just a personal
> problem on my part. I'll pay more attention to article
> content before I post any comments.

We have a procedure for addressing such questions: write to imc-sc (at) lists.indymedia.org specifying the post in question and your argument in favor of it.

In addition to enforcement of our local-only policy, there's also a known bug creeping around in the system whereby posting a comment to an article will sometimes cause it to be hidden by mistake. Evil, nasty, icky problem for which a solution is in the works but still.. it exists.

> On the other hand, if local people post comments that
> bring the discussion down into the realm of relevance to
> local concerns, I would hope that the IMC would respect
> the nature of THAT content

Anyone desperate enough for attention can post an article about the enzyme composition of yak milk from 1960's India and make an argument for local relevance to Santa Cruz.

The resulting grey area of your proposed solution opens a floodgate which we do not have the people resources to manage - nor is it an efficient use of our time, given that those same issues are inevitably being discussed on countless other web sites which are just as easy for people to access as this noe.

We set up the SCIMC to bring local news to light. That is why we have invested extra-ordinary amounts of time, energy, and money into it. Please respect our blood, sweat, and tears by respecting our purpose.

The internet is a wide open playing field, you know. If you want your own space with your own rules, by all means help yourself to the tools that are out there. That's what we did, and this is the space we have created - and our local-only policy is part of that creation, and part of the reason we created it.

-Van,
giving The Speech for probably the 28th time.
 

respect goes both ways

To Van-

For your information, I know of at least one person who used the email address you recommended, and who eventually received a notice that the question posed was not going to be presented to "the list" and would therefore not be answered. The basic question was the same as mine: what are the criteria for hiding articles? All the other person wanted was an answer, and seemed to get the brush-off, instead: Not good public relations, especially if my acquaintance's story is not an isolated one.

As far as being "desperate for attention," I'm not sure how one responds to that. So I'll pick humor. If IM-SC is not a vehicle for self-publication, driven by the contributors and gently shaped by the editors, then what is it? If IM-SC does not allow those with news and opinions to share that material with a wider readership, then what good is it? If someone posts a spam about yak milk in India, and someone else posts something relevant to Santa Cruz -- a report of local illnesses being blamed on Indian yak milk, for example, or a list of local suppliers, or even a proposal that the Santa Cruz city council enact a resolution declaring the city to be a "yak milk free zone" -- then why require the proponents of the amended article to argue the case for it remaining unhidden? In my earlier comment, I only hoped that censors would use common, er, "cense" in judging local relevance, and would take amended comments into account as well as the original article when making their decisions. As long as that is actually what goes on, I certainly have no beef with IMC. If that is not the case, however, I would respectfully request a reconsideration of the policy. We all know that someone can tack on a "fig leaf" of "local content" to sidestep a well-intended gatekeeping policy -- the old SCTV comedy group used to lampoon Canadian TV's "Canadian content" rules of the day, with over-the-top examples of how that kind of thing was being done routinely in the great white north. Good day, eh! But concentration on the extreme cases in a policy matter often prevents thoughtful and fair disposition of the more typical case, so beware of falling into that trap. Again, I'm just talking about using common sense and fair consideration in enforcing the "local content" policy.

Finally, speaking about common sense, I find it very confusing that you are explaining (for the 28th time, apparently) a policy that has resulted in many of your own comments being hidden along with the original articles they extend. Why would you, the fellow who explains the policy, spend your time to add comments to articles such as "Not One Penny for the War Budget" (item #3754), knowing that there is a strong likelihood (if not a certainty!) that they and the article will soon be hidden, as that article is now? If you can predict future "hidden" status from your knowledge of the policy, then why post provocative material that prompts others to post in response? Why spend your time to compose material that has even less chance of being seen than most articles here? If you cannot predict whether an item will end up being hidden, then how are the rest of us out here to do what you, an insider, cannot? How can we best manage our time and efforts to have the best effect, whether it is to inform, inflame, or persuade our fellow citizens? I don't post here to see my own words in a public forum. I have other means to achieve that satisfaction when I want it. I (and I would think, many others) post here to explore, or at least share, ideas and information with others. If the others aren't there or aren't listening, or if the kinds of ideas and information I have to share aren't permitted in the venue, then there is really no point in participating.

I hope you understand the quandry here. Speaking only for myself of course, I certainly am not disrespectful of the efforts, nor the hopes and intentions, of those who created this space. Thanks to all who got this thing going and keep it going. I do think, however, that inviting those who post well-meaning and sincere inquiries about the rules of THIS space, to use "the tools that are out there" to create their "own space with [their] own rules" is unhelpful. Remember that ~Bradley, in the original article, advised those with a beef to "hit publish, not me." In order for that to be more than the equivalent of "let them eat cake," those who are being invited to publish must have reasonable access, and reasonable expectation that their published words will in fact be seen (and possibly considered) by a fair number of people. Otherwise, publication provides no remedy and no valve to let off steam, does it? Suppose that ~Bradley had instead invited the intimidating individual (or those of similar mood and mind) to go elsewhere and open another website? How inflammatory would THAT have been? I hope you see what I am getting at: an outlet must indeed function as an outlet, or backed-up pressure will find another path. As long as the "comment" feature is being recommended as an alternative to in-person, phyisical confrontation, then comments should probably stay up, and unhidden, as long as they fall within some fairly broad parameters of etiquette, decorum, and topic-relevance. Just a thought.

-Jack

PS: Thanks for the word about the bug, which has indeed eaten several of my attempts to comment in the past few months -- most discouraging. I hope you get it fixed soon.
 

same old same old

> For your information, I know of at least one person who
> used the email address you recommended, and who
> eventually received a notice that the question posed was
> not going to be presented to "the list" and would
> therefore not be answered.

Can you provide a copy of said post, or at least of the rejection notice? Not your interpretation of them, but the actual content.

> If IM-SC is not a vehicle for self-publication, driven by
> the contributors and gently shaped by the editors, then
> what is it?

It is, but only within the context of LOCAL NEWS. Get it? Local?

> If IM-SC does not allow those with news and opinions to
> share that material with a wider readership, then what
> good is it?

The good that is SCIMC, is in that it focuses on local events and issues, highlighting them instead of allowing them to drown in a sea of global news and issues like most of the press around here do.

> If someone posts a spam about yak milk in India, and
> someone else posts something relevant to Santa Cruz -- a
> report of local illnesses being blamed on Indian yak
> milk, for example
...
>- then why require the proponents of the amended article
> to argue the case for it remaining unhidden?

We don't require that. We require that they post their content as a seperate article, which is what it deserves anyway because at that point it is no longer merely a comment or addendum to the previous.

Anyway, what you hypothesize is the exception, not the rule.

Too many such articles never have any such additional material added. There was a time when we allowed it all to stay up, and this what we learned. So now they come down, because every moment they remain on the public newswire they occupy precious screen space for which real local news is fighting.

> In my earlier comment, I only hoped that censors would
> use common, er, "cense" in judging local relevance, and
> would take amended comments into account as well as the
> original article when making their decisions.

There's something you don't understand, Im afraid. This is not, primarily, a community bulletin board or discussion forum. It is a news service.

Comment threads are an added bonus, not our raison d'etre. And owing to our layout, screen space is too precious to waste on any article without direct and primary local relevance, regardless of how the discussion might have turned somewhere down the thread.

> Again, I'm just talking about using common sense and fair
> consideration in enforcing the "local content" policy.

So are we, and it is already in use.

> Finally, speaking about common sense, I find it very
> confusing that you are explaining (for the 28th time,
> apparently) a policy that has resulted in many of your
> own comments being hidden along with the original
> articles they extend. Why would you, the fellow who
> explains the policy, spend your time to add comments to
> articles such as "Not One Penny for the War Budget" (item
> #3754), knowing that there is a strong likelihood (if not
> a certainty!) that they and the article will soon be
> hidden, as that article is now?

So that the person who posted it, when they notice it's missing, can have the courtesy of an explanation. The post still exists and can still be read by the author or anyone else who knows it's there, it's just not occupying valuable top-level screen space anymore.

> I (and I would think, many others) post here to explore,
> or at least share, ideas and information with others.

You can be posting because Elvis landed his space ship and told you to post, it doesn't matter. We built and run this site for a reason, and where your content falls outside the scope of our reason (which is, I repeat, news and issues of primarily local significance), you should take your yak's milk to an appropriate venue.

> I do think, however, that inviting those who post well-
> meaning and sincere inquiries about the rules of THIS
> space, to use "the tools that are out there" to create
> their "own space with [their] own rules" is unhelpful.

That's my whole point - if you want to post non-local news somewhere, *we are not here to help you*.

> Remember that ~Bradley, in the original article, advised
> those with a beef to "hit publish, not me." In order for
> that to be more than the equivalent of "let them eat
> cake," those who are being invited to publish must have
> reasonable access..

Apply some of the common sense you invoke. Bradley's was an off-the-cuff comment regarding dialogue vs physical intimidation tactics. That in no way negates established and documented policy.

> Otherwise, publication provides no remedy and no valve to
> let off steam, does it?

WE ARE NOT YOUR SUPPORT GROUP, and this not your private sand box. You want to let off steam? Go play tennis, or chop firewood, or hang out with your friends and vent.

You claim to respect our purpose here, but clearly you do not. You appreciate the site as a resource to use for your own purposes, and wish it to conform to your purposes.

If you truly respected our purpose, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Get your own IMC. Quit trying to hijack ours.

> Suppose that ~Bradley had instead invited the
> intimidating individual (or those of similar mood and
> mind) to go elsewhere and open another website? How
> inflammatory would THAT have been?

Heh.

> I hope you see what I am getting at: an outlet must
> indeed function as an outlet, or backed-up pressure will
> find another path.

YES, PLEASE DO FIND ANOTHER PATH. This is a LOCAL NEWS OUTLET. Not an emotional outlet. Not a Gap outlet. Not a power outlet.

You people just never stop. Same bullshit, different day.
I give up.

> PS: Thanks for the word about the bug, which has indeed
> eaten several of my attempts to comment in the past few
> months -- most discouraging. I hope you get it fixed
> soon.

They can be un-eaten, you know. But if no one brings it to our attention at mailto:imc-sc (at) lists.indymedia.org we're likely not to notice.

-Van
 

most amusing

I am truly amazed, and in a bizarre way, amused, at the response to my commentary. I have been accused (if only by inference, still accused) of bringing "yak's milk" to this website; of trying to "hijack" it (what a way to say, "hi, Jack!"); of spewing the "same old shit" that some class of people (what class is that, exactly?) apparently always dump here, etc. This, in response to very sincere and, I thought, polite and respectful inquiry concerning the editorial policies. I called nobody any names; I cast no aspersions on the motivations, overt or covert, of those who run this site; I made no threats. One wonders what artillery is kept in reserve, to be unleashed on someone who posts here in any less genteel fashion.

From this exchange, I derive the following:

1. News items and commentary should be primarily local in character and relevance. Others may be hidden, to free up scarce screen space for articles that do better fit the criteria.

2. This is not a bulletin board. Locally flavored or relevant commentary will not be enough to save an item from being hidden (relegated to the "back pages") if the primary thrust of the main article or the attached commentary thread is not local in nature. The commentary is to be considered as spice, not steak.

3. Van does not endorse, and the official IMC-SC policy does not support, ~Bradley's suggestion that the "Submit Comment" button is an appropriate alternative to the personal confrontation and intimidation he described, and that Indymedia is a "great place to speak your mind." Van called his suggestion an "off-the-cuff comment" that does not negate official policy. I do apologize for thinking that ~Bradley's suggestion at least was consistent with and reflected official policy, due to his apparently being an insider (as is Van); I am glad that Van made the distinction clear. On the other hand, then, the original posting seems largely to be an example of the kind of thing that Van says this site does NOT exist to publish: personal sandbox, support group, letting-off-steam material. The incident of intimidation at the protest was certianly a newsworthy item, to be sure, but the expansion into editorial opinion concerning the effectiveness and reach of SC-IMC, and the proper way to respond to provocative material, seems to step over Van's clearly stated (and now clearly understood) line. That being the case, Van might have been a little more polite, and willing to give the benefit of the doubt, to someone like me, who sought to explore the ramifications of the editorial opinion part, believing that, if the original material was OK, the exploration would be OK, too.

As far as providing Van with a copy of the question-rejection message I mentioned earlier, I will leave that chore to the person who made the original inquiry, if it makes sense to pursue, out of respect for that person's privacy. I did, however, get permission to post the following text, verbatim (except for hiding some personally identifiable information), from the rejection message. I hope this satisfies the need for corroboration:

==========================================================
Your request to the Imc-sc mailing list

Posting of your message titled ""<br /> <br /> has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the<br /> following reason for rejecting your request:<br /> <br /> "Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list. Please<br /> join at <a href="http://lists.indymedia.org/listinfo/imc-sc%22">lists.indymedia.org/listinfo/imc-sc%22</a><br /> =======================================================<br /> <br /> I am told that this was in response to a question submitted via what appeared to be the posted email address for info and inquiry. There was no indication at the location where the address was posted that that mail sent to this address actually went to any kind of "list" or list-moderating robot. In the response, there was no indication of whether the original question had simply gone to the wrong place, what the right place might have been, etc. I think that people ought to be able to use an email address for questions, which is tended by a human, which elicits some kind of response that at least speaks to the question, and which doesn't require any kind of "membership" to use.<br /> <br /> Finally, Van was not responsive to my question, which was, essentially: "Why would you (Van) post a comment to an article that is doomed to be 'hidden'?" Van seemed to answer the question, "why do you (Van) bother to explain the policy?," instead. From other material in the message, I get the idea that "hidden" is just an emotionally-loaded (and thus imprecise) term for "no longer on the front page." Clearly, "hidden" articles are still alive and active, one merely has to work a bit harder to find them. So it isn't necessarily the case that the decision to "hide" an article reflects badly on the article or is an attempt to censor it -- the article might be objectionable, but it might also simply not meet the criteria that Van has articulated, or its entry may simply no longer fit on the front page, in deference to stories of more perceived urgency or local relevance. Still, that leaves open an interesting question: Is it the case that Van has no problem with posting commentary to articles that few people, if any, are likely to read (due to the articles' current or impending "hidden" status)? Does he believe that other people should feel likewise?<br /> <br /> It may be that IMC-SC does not exist to stroke the egos or provide therapy for the people who post to it. That certainly seems like a fair expectation. But for it to have any more relevance or worth than the tightly-controlled mainstream media, I think it certainly needs to be more egalitarian than them. That is, the person who DOESN'T have access to the major media megaphone needs to be able to trust that THIS megaphone is both effective and more available (when used in accordance with the stated purpose of the website, at least). The decision to remove an article from main view would seem to reduce the exposure afforded to the material it contains, including the comments, which real people spend valuable time and effort to compose. It's just my opinion, but I think that thoughtful, sincere commentary should be removed from view only when absolutely necessary, and then, only for good, objective reasons (e.g., for reasons of space limitations, after a fair period of exposure; or due to concerns for libel or harassment, for instance). Altogether too many articles, many with commentary from several people, seem to last for a day at most, before disappearing into "hidden" status, while others persist for days or weeks. I realize that this is just my impression, but I've been watching this site for many months, now, and that's how it seems to me.<br /> <br /> It is rather ironic that Van has basically invited me to go elsewhere, as I was originally encouraged to discover this site and post here by an indymedia person who is well known (and, I should hope, well respected) by Van. This person flat-out told me that my presence would bring something worthwhile to the party. It is even more ironic, because Van's views on politics and mine -- especially in the area of the nature and danger of authoritarian rule -- seem to overlap to a great degree, although we almost certainly arrived at our near-coincidence by different paths. I had hoped to provide Van and others of similar mind with some support for the often unpopular positions they take. But apparently the kind of help I have to offer isn't required here, after all, certainly not by Van. So, I am very happy to accept his invitation to go elsewhere, in view of his charge that I am somehow trying to "hijack" this site (as if that were possible). I'll accept his current invitation as negating the original invitation I received to come here in the first place. I told the person who issued the original invitation that I had better things to do with my time than post to yet another website, but was encouraged to give it a try. So I did. Now Van suggests that I ought to use my time for better things, and I can only say, "NOW he tells me!"<br /> <br /> Happy trails, y'all. Have fun storming the castle. If you think Van's characterization of me as one of "you people" is in any way accurate (whatever "you people" may mean), then you (and Van) clearly don't know Jack. </div> <div class="cleardiv"> </div> </div> <div id="Comment-3793" class="article" style="padding-left: 0px;"> <h1><a href="http://santacruz.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/3793/index.php">your choice</a></h1> <div class="byline"> <div class="date"> <b>29 Mar 2003</b><br /> </div> by <b>Van</b> </div> <div class="body"> If you're going to react with wounded pride over being chewed out for not respecting site policy and decide to never post anything at all - even content within the scope of site policy - that's your choice. You are, I imagine, a big boy and entirely responsible for your decisions. <br /> <br /> Given this decision of yours, you obviously have no strong desire to make proper use of our site anyway, so the loss is negligable.<br /> <br /> Ironic - you make such a great effort to sound adult and responsible, and then you employ the classic "I'll take my ball and go home" tactic when you can't have your way. <br /> <br /> Whatever. I have no time for people who put on airs of maturity. We have a job to do.<br /> <br /> > "Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this <br /> > list. Please join at <br /> > <a href="http://lists.indymedia.org/listinfo/imc-sc%22">lists.indymedia.org/listinfo/imc-sc%22</a> <br /> <br /> This is one of 3 possible form-letter rejections that the list software would give to a sender after their post was rejected by the manual review process. In practice, it was used for all manners of spam, news postings (which belong on the site, not the list), and other stuff not related to back-stage operations.<br /> <br /> Generally speaking, any inquiry into site policy is always allowed through, as are those into the hiding of specific messages. As a matter of policy, they are never rejected.<br /> <br /> In practice however, being a manual filter it may be that one was mistakenly tagged for rejection (the list gets a LOT of commercial spam). But again, without seeing the content of the original mail, I can only speculate.<br /> <br /> > Van might have been a little more polite, and willing to <br /> > give the benefit of the doubt, to someone like me, <br /> <br /> Politeness is over-rated in America. This isn't a social gathering - we have a purpose here, and wish to draw a crowd with like-minded purpose. Anyone who thinks "politeness" is any kind of a critical issue, needs to get their priorities straight and concern themselves with real business instead of worrying about egos (theirs or anyone else's).<br /> <br /> >It is rather ironic that Van has basically invited me to<br /> > go elsewhere, as I was originally encouraged to discover <br /> > this site and post here by an indymedia person<br /> > This person flat-out told me that my presence would bring <br /> > something worthwhile to the party. <br /> <br /> There is no irony. That person no doubt expected you to respect site policy, rather than making the same tired old arguments in favor of bad changes to policy which would run counter to our purpose and effectiveness.<br /> <br /> That person also, I imagine, expected you to be willing to contribute within the scope of our criteria, even if this meant that other material you might want to post fell outside our criteria.<br /> <br /> I suppose that person misjudged you, and now we have the truth on both matters. 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