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BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

This often humorous 'interview' with Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz was taken from a SC-IMC thread. ( santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/update/index.php ) It was such an amazing exchange that I thought it should explicitly be given its own very special place as a separate article. HANG ON!! You're headed into the incredible matrix of Bekcy's brain!!
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"A QUESTION FOR BECKY:"
by JA 04 Feb 2005

Becky, this is hard to say, but you make non-Critical Thinkifier almost look like *'EINSTEIN'* (except Einstein, being a *staunch* anti-racist leftist activist, became opposed to Zionism). In fact, you are *way* more idiotic than even the VERY FEW Zionist *Jews* on sc-imc, indybay, or sf-imc. (Gerhig is *MUCH* smarter than non-Critical Thinkifier; and non-Critical Thinkifier is *MUCH* smarter than you!) You're kinda down there with indybay comment poster Sefarad's simplemindedness (I don't even bother with her - but she also says that she's not Jewish). Now *why* do you side with those hypoctical, eternal self-victimological *nuts* instead of the *ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS* on the local indymedias, like aaron aarons, or "deanosaur", or article essayists like Jeffrey Blankfort, or anti-Zionist Jewish lecturer/activists like Barbara Lubin of MECA, or [Mideast History] Professor Joel Beinin of Stanford, or Dr. Marc Sapir of Berkeley, or Rob Lipton and other Jews of the ISM, or anti-Zionist Jews in Jewish Voice for Peace, or national names like scholar Lenni Brenner, or anti-racist activist Tim Wise; I could name more? They believe that just as there should not be a Christian-supremacist state oppressing Jews, there should not be a Jewish-supremacist state oppressing Palestinians. Why do you have to side with the self-victimological twisted racist Jewish nutcases?

You say that you're not Jewish. Are you married to a Zionist Jew or do you have a close relative or inlaw who is a Zionist Jew - or a Zionist (past or present) Jewish boyfriend? I'm trying to discern the source of your RABID *extreme* ULTRA-PRO-ZIONIST nuttyhood. Or do you somehow exoticize or romanticize "the Jews"?

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ALBERT EINSTEIN:
by JA 04 Feb 2005

"It would be my greatest sadness to see Jews do to Palestinian Arabs *MUCH* of what Nazis did to Jews."

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Einstein also co-signed a letter to the New York Times (1948), along with other prominent Jews, like the anti-Zionist Jew Hannah Arendt, warning about anti-Palestinian terrorist, fascist and even racist Nazi-like institutions in Israel, and calling Menachim Begin, then a future prime minister of Israel, A RACIST FACIST, and saying that Begin should not even be allowed into the United States.

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Einstein was also a close friend of the internationally famous African American actor-singer-athlete, internatinonal speaker and political activist Paul Robeson and together they worked to fight anti-Black racism (especially on the anti-lynching campaign) in the U.S.

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By the way, Becky, other MORAL ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS in the Bay Area include those in Jews for a Free Palestine (JFFP) and, very prominently, UC Berkeley Professor Emerita Bluma Goldstein, herself a Jewish Holocaust survivor who lost over 30 members of her family in the Holocaust, but who nonetheless morally rejects Zionism.

In addition to the other anti-Zionist Jewish activists (like in Jewish Voice for Peace), journalists and essayists, scholars and professors (like UC Berkeley's Daniel Boyarin), human rights directors and pro-Palestinian solidariy workers, why aren't you siding with *THEM*!?

You're siding with the blithering idiots like non-Critical Thinkifier, and the rabid glassy-eyed Jewish fundamentalist settlers!! What does this say about you, *intellectually*, let alone morally?

So, these moral anti-Zionist Jews are like the early American Abolitionists (who at first were fewer) or, later, anti-Segregationists; but it's like you, Becky, are siding with the immoral 'slavers' (who at first were in the majority) or, later, Segregationists! (Or, like elsewhere, the pro-apartheid Afrikaners, who were before in the white majority.) But, like the slavers, Becky, you're on the *WRRRONNNG* side of moral history.

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"FINALLY (drum roll please) JA's Answer!"
by Becky Johnson 04 Feb 2005

Now for JA's question: "Now *why* do you side with those hypoctical, eternal self-victimological *nuts* instead of the *ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS* on the local indymedias, like aaron aarons, or "deanosaur", or article essayists like Jeffrey Blankfort, or anti-Zionist Jewish lecturer/activists like Barbara Lubin of MECA, or Joel Beinin of Stanford, or Dr. Marc Sapir of Berkeley, or Rob Lipton and other Jews of the ISM, or anti-Zionist Jews in Jewish Voice for Peace, or national names like scholar Lenni Brenner, or anti-racist activist Tim Wise; I could name more?"

BECKY: Or Amy Goodman, Wendy Campbell, Alison Weir, Adam Shapiro, Stephen Zunes, Noam Chomsky, AFSC, all the little Palestinian-wannabees at the Resource Center for Nonviolence (note to CT: check out www.rcnv.org), or the fine, fine reporting of George "Old Lady Scar Arms" Cadman, or Vinny the V-man? Or almost anybody else at FRSC other than me?

Because once I know something, I can't stop knowing it. I USED to think just like you. And in some fundamental way, I haven't changed my value system one bit. What changed is I got more information.

When I first heard that Israel was 20% Arab/Muslim, I was shocked. Really. I didn't know any better. I said "But I hear its a Jewish state so that Palestinians, because they are not Jewish, cant even live in their own country!" "Isn't Israel accused of being an apartheid state?" How can it be an apartheid state if it has red-orange-yellow-black-and white citizens who are Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Bahai or have no religion at all?

The answer of course was, Israel is NOT an apartheid state.

As I dug deeper (and really I didnt believe a THING I had been told that conflicted with the leftist version of things)it became a case of everything-I-know-is-wrong.

Israel DOESN'T machine gun children in the street (an aside here: Barbara Lubin called me at my house and I told her that I no longer believe that the IDF machine-guns children in the street.

She said --oh, they do!! I said really? Name ONE case. She said "theres one that just happened. a girl was shot in the head as she was lining up to go to school".

Yes, thats the case where the PA police just arrested the PALESTINIAN gunman suspect--some idiot who had just returned from the Haaj and was celebrating by shooting his gun up in the air.

So even Barbara Lubin's ONLY example of the IDF machine-gunning children in the street turned out to have NO IDF INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER!!
If Barbara Lubin is so concerned about children, why doesn't her organization take care of any of the Israeli children who have been injured in the conflict?

Why am I so involved? (and I admit that I am very involved) What if you were in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and somehow you KNEW the Jewish holocaust was coming, wouldn't you feel moved to act to stop it?

Its kind of like that. I now see Israel as a tiny country trying its darndest to do the right thing while beleagered on all sides by enemies, waiting for a moment of weakness, before attacking again in the last war of annihilation.

I see the Arab propaganda mills churning out lie after lie after lie and spread around most likely by wealthy Arab oil money.

I also see the Israeli people barely defending themselves from these attacks. They PHYSICALLY defend themselves from snipers and bombers, but for a very smart people, (who are very good at reading and writing!!???!!)they move at a glacial pace in their own defense.

By the time the IDF has finished a full investigation of an incident, the Arab and leftist propaganda mills have spewed forth with some horrible portrait which "proves" that the IDF are a bunch of racist cold-blooded child-killers, and the Palestinian people are warm, loving, and struggling so bravely under the evil oppression.

Local Jewish people (and many of them are my dear friends) are a big part of the problem. Of course when you see how people are treated in here (name-calling, called a racist, a nazi, death threats, etc.) I guess you can't blame them for not speaking out more.

My personal work in life (outside my family and my day job) is to make a better, more peaceful world. Some of my work with homeless issues is in that vein. My work on behalf of Israel, is a personal justice issue. As long as I see people in Santa Cruz trashing this great little country left and right like its the most evil force on the planet, I feel moved to challenge that crap.

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HERE IT IS!!:


"BECKY'S BRAIN !!! - OR..., WHAT CAN I *SAYYY*!!???"
by JA 04 Feb 2005

BECKY: "...Or Amy Goodman, ..."

Amy Goodman is Jewish and anti-Zionist - as well as her writer-activist brother.


"...Wendy Campbell, Alison Weir,..."

Wendy Campbell and Alison Weir are not Jewish.


"...Adam Shapiro, Stephen Zunes, Noam Chomsky, AFSC, all the little Palestinian-wannabees at the Resource Center for Nonviolence..."

"PALESTINIAN-WANNABEES"??? DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S A LITTLE *RRRACIST*???

WOULD YOU HAVE ACCUSED WHITE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS BACK IN THE 60'S OF BEING "BLACK WANNABEES"???

WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY "SAND-NIGGER LOVERS" AND BE DONE WITH IT?

OH, I FORGOT - YOU DON'T HAVE A BRAIN SO HOW CAN YOU THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

YEAH, ALL THEM JEWS JUST WANNA BE *PALESTINIANS*!!

JUST LIKE WHITES WHO WANNA BE *BLACK*!!

(By the way, although a strong critic of Israel, Zunes is a *Zionist*. A so-called 'liberal Zionist'. It's like a 'liberal slave-owner', or 'liberal Segregationist', or 'liberal pro-Apartheid Afrikaner', or maybe even 'liberal Nazi'. They're smart enough to realize that they have to at least get rid of the worst atrocities of Zionism or the whole Zionist matzo ball might be lost as Israel becomes a pariah state, like apartheid South Africa did, as Israel's own secret, but leaked, internal govt study showed.)


"...or the fine, fine reporting of George "Old Lady Scar Arms" Cadman, or Vinny the V-man? Or almost anybody else at FRSC other than me?"

I don't know Cadman or Vinny.


"I USED to think just like you."

DON'T INSULT ME! YOU *NEVER* THOUGHT "JUST LIKE [ME]".

(But, even a flashing clock on a VCR tells the right time once a day.)


"How can it be an apartheid state if it has red-orange-yellow-black-and white citizens who are Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Bahai or have no religion at all?"

YEAHHH...! IT'S LIKE DURING SLAVERY AND "JIM CROW" AMERICAN APARTHEID, WHEN THE U.S. HAD WHITE AND RED AND BLACK AND BROWN AND YELLOW AND CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH AND MORMON OR WHATEVER OR NO RELIGION AT ALL!!


"The answer of course was, Israel is NOT an apartheid state."

WELL, BUT DON'T NELSON MANDELA AND DESMOND TUTU SAY THAT ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE?

HEY, BUT IF I HAD TO TAKE *THEIR* WORD OR *YOURS* - NO CONTEST: IT'D BE *YOURS*!!

(ANYWAY, MANDELA AND TUTU ARE PROBABLY ANTI-SEMITIC - OR PALESTINIAN WWWANNABEES.)


"...an aside here: Barbara Lubin called me at my house..."

I'm disappointed that someone of Barbara's intelligence and stature would even waste her time on you. It would be like MADAME CURIE calling BETTY RUBBLE!


"Israel DOESN'T machine gun children in the street..."

OF COURSE *NOT*!! ISRAEL HAS *NEVER* SHOT AND KILLED *ANY* CHILDREN - UNLESS THOSE CHILDREN (HOWVER YOUNG) WERE CARRYING AK-47'S (JUST LIKE THE LITTLE GIRL IN THE S.F. EXAMINER AD THAT WAS PULLED) OR PACKING SUICIDE BOMBS! WHY, *NO* JEWISH PERSON WOULD *EVER* BE CAPABLE OF *THAT* KIND OF RACISM AND ACTIONS!


"Yes, thats the case where the PA police just arrested the PALESTINIAN gunman suspect"

YES! NOW *THAT* EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!! ANY PALESTINIAN CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED WERE KILLED BY *OTHER* PALESTINIANS!!

(GEE! THOSE PALESTINIANS ARE *EVIL*!! THOSE DRUNKEN HAAJ-AMPED PALESTINIANS SHOOT AND KILL THEIR *OWN* KIDS - AND THEN BLAME IT ON *ISRAEL*!! *DAMN* THOSE PALESTINIANS!!)


"So even Barbara Lubin's ONLY example of the IDF machine-gunning children in the street turned out to have NO IDF INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER!!"

THAT WOULD HAVE CONVINCED *ME* - THAT BARBARA WAS LYING!! AND SHE'S *JUST* THE KIND OF PERSON THAT *WOULD*!!

***WHAT AN EPIPHANY!!!***

OF COURSE WE ONLY HAVE *YOUR* WORD FOR THE EXCHANGE, BUT *THAT'S* GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!

I know that if you were telling someone else what *I* said, a *tape* recording of me would be in more doubt.


"If Barbara Lubin is so concerned about children, why doesn't her organization take care of any of the Israeli children who have been injured in the conflict?"

GOOD QUESTION!!! *GOOD* QUESTION!!! ...***DAMN*** GOOD QUESTION!!!


"Why am I so involved? (and I admit that I am very involved) What if you were in Nazi Germany in the 1930's and somehow you KNEW the Jewish holocaust was coming, wouldn't you feel moved to act to stop it?"

WELL, *I* WOULD, BUT TO MAKE THE PARALLEL MORE ACCURATE, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SIDING WITH THE *NAZIS* AGAINST THOSE DAMN JEWS!

-AND THOSE JEWS WOULD HAVE THE *NERVE* TO CLAIM THAT THE NAZIS HAD SHOT AND KILLED THEIR KIDS IN THE WARSAW GHETTO!!

(OF COURSE, NOW *I'M* CONFUSED... BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THOSE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS WHO ARE ANTI-ZIONISTS. OH..., THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST SELF-HATING JEWS... *THAT* EXPLAINS IT!)


"Its kind of like that. I now see Israel as a tiny country trying its darndest"

--OH *FLY* LITTLE BIRDIE!! **FLY**!!


"to do the right thing while beleagered on all sides by enemies, waiting for a moment of weakness,"

THOSE PALESTINIAN *SNAKES* IN THE GRASS!! - THOSE JACKALS!!


"before attacking again in the last war of annihilation."

HUH...? ANNIHILATION??? IS THAT LIKE ARMAGEDDON??


SO, YOU TAKE *ONE* *SINGLE* ALLEGED EXAMPLE **YOURSELF**, FROM *ONE* *SINGLE* PERSON, AND YOU CONCLUDE THAT ZIONISM AND ISRAEL ARE RIGHT - AND THE PALESTINIANS ARE WRONG!!

THAT'S, UH...., 'LOGICAL'...

YOU SWING FROM 'LEFT' TO EXTREME RIGHT THAT EASILY, HUH?

(ARE YOU RELATED TO DAVID HOROWITZ?)

GEE AND TO THINK THE WORLD WASTES SO MUCH TIME ON HISTORICAL AND SOCIAL SCIENCE *RESEARCH* - ESPECIALLY INTELLECTUAL AND RESEARCH *STANDARDS*.


"I see the Arab propaganda mills churning out lie after lie after lie and spread around most likely by wealthy Arab oil money."

WELL, FORTUNATELY ALL THOSE WEALTHY JEWISH BANKERS HAVE THEIR *OWN* MONEY TO COUNTERACT THAT, HUH BECKY?


"I also see the Israeli people barely defending themselves from these attacks. They PHYSICALLY defend themselves from snipers and bombers, but for a very smart people, (who are very good at reading and writing!!???!!)"

YEAH, THEM JEWS CAN *READ* AND *WRITE*!! - *THAT'S* FOR SURE. THAT'S WHY MY *LAWYER* IS A JEW! MY *ACCOUNTANT* IS A JEW!

IF IT'S GOT TO DO WITH *READING* AND *WRITING*..., I WANT A **JEW**.

***_RIGHT_, CT [non-Critical Thinkifier]!?***


"they move at a glacial pace in their own defense."

WELL, WE KNOW ALL THOSE WEALTHY JEWS ARE ALWAYS *RICH* - BUT *WHO* SAYS THAT JEWS ARE ALWAYS *SMART*, HUH BECKY...???

***_RIGHT_, CT!?***


HEY BECKY...! WANNA HEAR A GOOD JOKE? WHAT'S THE SMALLEST BOOK IN THE WORLD? "GREAT JEWISH BOXERS"!! HA-HA-HA..., HUH!!?


"By the time the IDF has finished a full investigation of an incident, the Arab and leftist propaganda mills have spewed forth with some horrible portrait which "proves" that the IDF are a bunch of racist cold-blooded child-killers, and the Palestinian people are warm, loving, and struggling so bravely under the evil oppression."

YEAH, THOSE *WILEY* AYE-RABS, HUH...!?


"Local Jewish people (and many of them are my dear friends)"

WHAT A COINCIDENCE! WHY, SOME OF *MY* BEST FRIENDS ARE *JEWISH* TOO!!


"are a big part of the problem."

WELL, THEY'RE *JEWISH*...!!: WHAT CAN YOU *SAYYY*...!!?


OR MAYBE IT'S ALL THAT CALIFORNIA SUN!! YOU CAN'T STAY OUT IN IT TOO MUCH!

YOU BEING IN SANTA CRUZ, I GUESS ***YOU*** KNOW!!


"Of course when you see how people are treated in here (name-calling, called a racist, a nazi, death threats, etc.) I guess you can't blame them for not speaking out more."

YEAH, IF SOMEONE KEPT CALLING *ME* THOSE NAMES, *I'D* EVEN SIDE WITH THE KLU KLUX KLAN!!

FORTUNATELY THOSE SLOW, DUM JEWS HAVE **YOU** TO SPEAK UP FOR THEM, HUH?


"My personal work in life (outside my family and my day job)"

GOSH! *PLEASE* DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB!! ...YOU'RE DOING *TOO* MUCH ALREADY!!


"is to make a better, more peaceful world."

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE *YOU* BECKY - EXCEPT THAT, I'M AFRAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT **TOO** MANY!!


"Some of my work with homeless issues is in that vein."

WELL..., I GUESS IF SOMEONE IS HOMELESS, THEN ANY HAND WITH A CRUST OF BREAD WILL DO ...


"My work on behalf of Israel, is a personal justice issue. As long as I see people in Santa Cruz trashing this great little country left and right like its the most evil force on the planet,"

AND WHAT A *GREAT* LITTLE COUNTRY IT IS, ISN'T IT!?

SORT OF LIKE - REMEMBER? - "POOR LITTLE BELGIUM". OOOPS!! - I FORGOT!!: POOR LITTLE BELGIUM WAS THAT COUNTRY THAT MASSACRED TENS OF MILLIONS OF BLACKS -- AND MAIMED TENS OF MILLIONS *MORE* - IN THE CONGO, WHEN EUROPEANS WENT TO COLONIZE *THERE* TOO!!

WAIT...!! THERE I GO AGAIN...!!: THOSE BLACKS MASSACRED EACH *OTHER* AND THEN *BLAMED* IT ON THE BELGIUMS/LEOPOLD!!

ANYWAY, ALL THOSE ORIGINAL ZIONIST EUROPEAN (AND NOW AMERICAN) JEWS WANTED TO DO WAS TO GET BACK TO THEIR "PROMISED LAND" - "A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE"!! - PROMISED TO THEM "BY GOD"!! - 5,000 YEARS AGO!!


"I feel moved to challenge that crap."

("MOVED"! ..."CRAP"! ...*THAT'S* A JOKE, HUH...!?)

WELL THE WORLD DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO *WITHOUT* PEOPLE LIKE *YOU* BECKY!!

(MAYBE BREATHE A LITTLE EASIER, AND LIVE A LOT MORE PEACEFULLY.)

WELL, BECKY... *THANKS* EVER SO MUCH FOR GIVING US A GREAT PEEK INTO BECKY'S BRAIN.

I CAN *CERTAINLY* SAY THAT IT'S BEEN..., WELL..., VERY 'ENGLIGHTENING', BECKY!!

INDEED..., QUITE BREATHTAKING!!


...OKAY, CT!: SHE'S *ALLL* YOURS!!

TAKE HER AWAY!! ***PUH-LEEEZE***!!!

HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!


[CYMBALS] ***TSCHHH!!!***...

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"YO BECKY!!: since *ONE*, *SINGLE* POINT can so drastically and instantaneously reverse your mind..."
by YO BECKY!! - fm JA!! 05 Feb 2005

-EXCEPT THAT JEW WERE NOT THE FIRST PEOPLE TO LIVE IN PALESTINE AND THAT PALESTINE WAS NOT "A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE" (you know, those 750,000+ Palestinian refugees in 1948 alone?). OR DO YOU PICK AND CHOOSE *WHICH* POINT SPARKS AN EPIPHANY IN YOU?

WHY HAVEN'T YOU ANSWERED THE CHALLENGE FROM THE OTHER THREAD?:

Cut-&-Paste:

Becky [rhetorical question asserting that Israel was attacked by those vicious Palestinians]: "What was the root cause of the 1956 war _against_ Israel?"

beckyjohnsonis_really_fullofshit: "Why don't you just google "the 1956 suez crisis" or "the 1956 suez war" with any other appropriate key words and report back to us about _who_ _actually_ started the war and what u.s. president eisenhower did about it?"

YOU'VE BEEN *AVOIDING* THAT QUESTION LIKE THE PLAGUE!!

WHAT'S UP!!


And you *still* haven't answered the question: Are/were you married to a Zionist Jew or do you have a close relative or inlaw who is a Zionist Jew - or a Zionist (past/present) Jewish boyfriend? Or do you somehow exoticize or romanticize "the Jews?

IT'S LIKE YOU'RE MORE 'JEWISH' THAN THE *JEWS*!!

(I know what you said, they're a "slow" people and can't speak up for themselves.)

'FESS UP, BECKY!!: There's *SOME* reason that you *HAVEN'T* told us about why *one* *single* point or dispute about who shot one Palestinian child could suddenly have you swerving into reverse direction: that now the Palestinians are all *WRONG* (and kill their own kids in the heat of 'drunken' Islamic religious ferver; of course that doesn't explain the *Chrisian* and *secular* Palestinians; unless the Christian Palestinians shot their kids on Christmas, overcome by the birth of Christ!) and that the Zionists Jews are all *RIGHT*.

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Joseph Anderson is a progressive Bay Area activist and occasional contributing political commentary writer or guest columnist to various publications.
 
 


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The funny part

Becky Johnson Says, "I USED to think just like you."
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

Maybe it was the brown acid.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

Becky no longer thinks!!! HA HA
 

YO BECKY!! COME WATCH YOUR BOY NON-CT GO DOWN IN *FLAMES*!! ...REMEMBER..., THIS COULD BE *YOU*!!

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YO BECKY!! WATCH ME TURN NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER INTO MY **BITCH**!! ...HA-HA-HA!!

non-Critical Thinkifier: Benny Morris counts **ONLY** 700,000 "Palestinian" refugees in 1947/1948.

BENNY MORRIS (Israeli Jewish historian -- and proud ZIONIST):

"The United Nations Economic Survey Mission and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) put the figure at 726,000." (p 297)

"...the BRITISH, in February 1949, thought that there were 810,000 ..." (Ibid.)

"The Director General of **THE ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTRY**, Eytian, in a private letter in late 1950 referred to the UNRWA registration in 1949 of 726,000 as "meticulous" and thought that "THE REAL NUMBER WAS CLOSE TO 800,000." (p. 298)

"Because of [various] factors, it is impossible to arrive at a definite, persuasive estimate. My prediclection would be to opt for the loose, but probably not inaccurate, contemporary British formula, that of "between 600,000 and *760,000*" refugees." (Ibid.)

SO NOWHERE DID -- ACCORDING TO NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER -- "BENNY MORRIS COUNTS ONLY 700,000 "PALESTINIAN" REFUGEES IN 1947/1948."

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by "not a person": "Well, then that's okay?"

non-Critical Thinkifier: "Blah blah... So I'm not allowed to point out that JA is hyping the number, heh MORON? Fact is, most of those *700,000* people were NOT uprooted by Zionist/Israeli forces. Many of them, in fact, left because Arab leaders urged them to leave temporarily until the Jews are "driven into the sea" and the land is cleansed. HOW MANY TIMES must I and others here try to enlighten DOLTS like you to these facts? All the IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE we muster NEVER SATISFIES YOU and your cohorts. YOU'RE evidently *NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH* as long as it vindicates the Israeli side."

non-Critical Thinkifier: "Now I suggest you do your homework before you try to trip me over next time. YOU AS A DEBATER on the Arab-Israeli conflicts ARE PRETTY PATHETIC."


BENNY MORRIS:

"AS TO April [1948] and THE START OF THE MAIN EXODUS, I HAVE FOUND *NO* EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THE AHC [Arab Higher Committee] ISSUED BLANKET INSTRUCTIONS, BY RADIO OR OTHERWISE, TO PALESTINE'S ARABS TO FLEE." (p. 290)

"If JEWISH ATTACK directly and indirectly triggered MOST of the Arab exodus up to June 1948, a small but significant proportion of that flight was due to DIRECT JEWISH EXPULSION ORDERS issued after the conquest of a site and due to Jewish pyschological warfare ploys ("whispering propaganda") designed to intimidate the inhabitants into leaving. ...As well, it was standard Haganah and IDF practice to round up and expel the remaining villagers (USUALLY OLD PEOPLE, WIDOWS, CRIPPLES) from sites already evacuated by most of their inhabitants, mainly because the occupying force wanted to avoid having to leave behind a garrison." (p. 288)

NOW, "SWINGING BECKY", WILL THAT GRAPHIC INFORMATION CAUSE YOU TO *LURCH* BACK OVER TO THE PALESTINIAN SIDE?

IF BARBARA LUBIN'S "LIE" CAUSES YOU TO SUDDENLY *LURCH* TO THE RIGHT AND BECOME 'SUPER [ZIONIST] JEW', WILL NON-CRITICAL THINKER'S *LIE* -- AND BENNY MORRIS' REVELATION -- CAUSE YOU TO SUDDENLY *LURCH* BACK TO THE LEFT AND BECOME "A PALESTINIAN WANNABEE"???

OR DO YOU SELECTIVELY PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH INFORMATION CAUSES YOU TO ABRUPTLY LURCH IN REVERSE???: DO YOU ONLY LURCH IN ONE DIRECTION!?

I SEE THAT YOU'RE NOT RUNNING TO ANSWER THE CRITICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT EVENTS, ETC, THAT YOU'VE BEEN AVOIDING LIKE THE PLAGUE!

YOU CLAIM THAT LUBIN WAS WRONG ABOUT ONE CHILD. BUT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT A *WAR*!!

HOW DOES *THAT* CHANGE YOUR MIND? -- AGAIN.

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NOW, NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER, *WHO'S* THE MORON, DOLT, ETC...?

AND ***WHO'S*** MY BBBITCH!!!?

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Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

JA is an insane, ranting lunatic.

Also, how come JA rants nonstop about stuff that happened in the mid 1900's?

It's year 2005 now.

If you care about peace, you have to address problems in the year 2005 and come up with VALID, PRACTICAL solutions to solve TODAY'S ISSUES.

JA and the other anti-Israel lunatics keep bringing up stuff from 60 years ago because they don't want peace with Israel. They want to destroy Israel. That's why they harp nonstop on whether it's even "fair" that Israel exist.

No one intelligent would be impressed by JA's rantings.

And certainly no one genuinely interested in peace for both Israelis and Palestinians.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

See what goes on here folks? There's no peace, becuase Israel is RIGHT when they point out that people want to destroy Israel. Hamas want to destroy Israel. Islamic Jihad want to destroy Israel. Lots of regular Palestinians want to destroy Israel. White supremecists want to destroy Israel. Neo-nazis want to destroy Israel. And low and behold, LEFTIST FAKE "PEACE ACTIVISTS" want to destroy Israel.

So, no peace.

Hey JA, guess what? I probably dislike Ariel Sharon as much as you do. But as long as people seem to support the "destroy Israel" stuff, you force people like me to reluctantly choose Sharon's side. You rant like a lunatic and everyone who disagrees with you gets yelled at and labelled "zionist." It's as if you WANT to push people into an extreme side of things. You and other leftists are SO OVER THE TOP that you push me over towards the Sharon side, because at least Sharon wants to make sure that Israel survives one way or another, whereas a DISTURBING number of so-called "peace" activists are on HAMAS' side of things.

And to be honest, the NKUSA members are insane retards who don't live in reality. Ever seen and talked to them?

People who really want peace want Israel to stop being assholes and want Palestinians to stop their terrorism.

People who want Israel destroyed want Israel to stop being assholes, want Palestinians to continue their terrorism, and want Israel to literally "undo" its own existence.

Sorry, but Israel exists. Over 50 Muslim countries exist, and one little Jewish one exists. Saudi Arabia and countless other Muslim countries favor Muslims over non-Muslims. Israel is the one place on earth that favors Jews. ANd it's strange that nazi-like scumbags who caused the need for Israel in the first place, and modern-day fake "peace" activists, are ON THE SAME SIDE as Hamas in singling out Israel for destruction.

And, if you DON"T want Israel destroyed then stop ranting like a damn lunatic, stop yelling "ZIONIST!" at everyone who doesn't EXACTLY mirror your views, and come up with practical solutions that actually can be implemented without anyone being wiped out. And here' s a hint: Suggesting that millions of Jew-hating Palestinians should get to flood into Israel and take the place over -- a suggestion that is ABSURD to think that Israeli Jews would accept considering Jews would wind up getting slaughtered -- isn't practical and isn't going to happen.
 

Zionism is the problem

Any thinking person can see that any religious state is a violation of the rights of those who have other faiths or who do no believe. Separation of church and state was a basic democratic gain of the American Revolution and other bourgeois revolutions as well as the 1917 October Revolution.

The idea that the Bible gives Palestine to the capitalist Zionist government is as outdated as the Bible is itself. While the idea that some all knowing super-natural being created the entire universe and all life on earth may have once seemed a reasonable explanation of our world, scientific advances have long since antiquated such superstition. Likewise ideas of chosen people (over others) have been replaced in enlightened minds by principles of equality.

As a matter of faith members of the Ku Klux Klan believe whites to have been created superior to all people. I am not afraid of offending their religious sensibilities, nor am I afraid of declaring that such people and their racist violence should be defeated by any means necessary.

Likewise I have no desire to humor Zionist religious beliefs of a god given right to ownership to the land that they have been stealing. A similar belief in killing natives to take their land was called Manifest Destiny in America.

Becky, it is hard to believe that you still believe the Zionist lie that the Palestinians in Palestine are the foreigners. The Palestinian people are scattered all over the world because of the extreme violence and discrimination used against them by the Zionist state in their homeland. The Palestinians that remain are those that have not yet been driven out.

Likewise Becky Johnson buys the lie that the entire Palestinian people are the cause of all violence. Yes Becky Johnson, the American Indians started all of the wars with the U.S. government and the Iraqis and Vietnamese started the wars that forced the US to invade their countries. (Sarcasm)

Instead of spewing Zionist lying propaganda, why don't you Zionists do your homework and find out what really happened. Real Palestinians and real Hebrew speaking people are dying as a result of the policies of the Zionist government and the billions of dollars in military aid the U.S. government gives to them.
 

On The Right To Return

On the right of those who have been driven from their homes to return the previous poster says:

"Suggesting that millions of Jew-hating Palestinians should get to flood into Israel and take the place over -- a suggestion that is ABSURD to think that Israeli Jews would accept considering Jews would wind up getting slaughtered -- isn't practical and isn't going to happen."

This is the same argument used against the ANC's slogan of “One Person, One Vote!? in South Africa in the 1980s.
 

This is Childish

This whole thing is a waste of time and in bad taste.
 

Genocide is a waste of time and in bad taste

Genocide is a waste of time and in bad taste.
 

Becky, if you only knew how **RACIST** you sounded, you'd shut up!!

(reposted for completeness)


JA: "PALESTINIAN-WANNABEES??? DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S A LITTLE *RRRACIST*???"

"The[y] run around with Keffiyeh's on their heads at events though they are not Arab or Palestinian."

Well, I used to celebrate Shabbat (dinner) with a former Jewish roommate in our lovely dining room every Friday evening she was home. Did that make me Jewish even though I and our other roommate of hers shared in her religious culinary ritual?

"I guess I'm a racist for noticing this?"

YOU MEAN FOR CALLING PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS SUPPORTERS "PALESTINIAN-WANNABEES", THE NEAR EQUIVALENT OF "SAND-NIGGER LOVERS"?

NO, THAT DOESN'T SOUND RRRACIST.


"And if they had a clue what murder and killing has been done by the people who they are emulating,"

Is every Jew who wears a yarmulke a rabid racist redneck 'Jim Crow Jew' religious fundamentalist settler? --Or even a homicidal racist Zionist?


"they would pull those towels off their heads in disgust."

***"TOWELS"!!!???***

AS IN ***"TOWELHEADS"**** !!!???

THAT DOESN'T SOUND RRRACIST EITHER.


"(Look at the 1972 Munich Olympics for starters)"

And that's the equivalent of *all* Palestinians!!??

BECKY!! -- YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT **RACISM** IS!! -- DO YOU!?


" Here's another quote from Nelson Mandela: "I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders." "

Well, I can conceive that you probably -- given your manifest anti-Palestinian racism -- extracted this out of some context -- if Mandela even said that. I'M CHALLENGING YOU TO CITE THE SOURCE OR PROVIDE A URL!!


"Here's what the President of the ZOA, Morton A. Klein..."

Ummm-hmmmph..., "the PRESIDENT of the ZOA [**ZIONIST** ORGANIZATION OF AMERICA], Morton A. Klein..."

" ...said about Bishop TuTu's remarks comparing Israel with Apartheid South Africa: "Tutu's prejudice against Jews, hostility towards Zionism, and indifference to Jewish victims of Arab terrorism are not the qualities one normally expects to find in a man of peace." "

WHAT A SURPRISE!!: THAT THE HEAD OF THE **ZIONIST** ORGANIZATION OF AMERICA WOULD SAY SUCH A THING ABOUT AN INTERNATIONALLY PROMINENT, COMPELLING CRITIC OF ZIONISM -- ISRAELI APARTHEID.

SO, THEN, TUTU *IS* A RAVING ANTI-SEMITE, HUH!? -- JUST AS I SUPPOSED YOU THOUGHT BEFORE.

I WONDER WHAT KLEIN THINKS OF THAT GREAT "MAN OF PEACE" ARIEL SHARON!?


BY THE WAY, CORNEL WEST JUST GAVE A SPEECH THIS WEEKEND TO AN OVERFLOW AUDITORIUM IN OAKLAND. HE CRITICIZED ISRAEL'S COLONIAL RACIST PRACTICES TOO TO A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. WHAT DO YOU SAY NOW ABOUT HIM TOO?


BECKY: "Barbara Lubin not only called my house, but she gave me her phone number. If you doubt me, ask her."

Becky, I didn't doubt you...; I just said that I was disappointed to even hear that someone of Barbara's intelligence and stature [and someone so busy with a demanding schedule] would even waste time calling someone like *you*!! *I* woudn't!!

If I had Barbara's position and demanding scedule, you would have never heard from me -- ever!! (Well, I might have challenged you to a public debate just to publicly make a fool of you, since you claim to be a public activist and organization official.) I said it was like *Madame Curie* calling *Betty Rubble*!!


"I invited her to come on my tv show and debate Lee Kaplan. She declined."

I DON'T BLAME HER!! YOU KNOW NOT EVERYONE HAS THE WILLINGNESS TO GO DEBATE SOME LOUDMOUTH (AND POSSIBLY DANGEROUS) LOON! -- ESPCIALLY WHEN THE MICROPHONE IS NOT UNDER NEUTRAL OR FAIR CONTROL.

BUT, *I'LL* BE ON YOUR SHOW. JUST *ASK* ME!! I *LOVE* STICKIN' IT TO RACIST NUTCASES!! THE DUMMER THE BETTER!!

(IT MAKES MY VERBAL JABS THAT MUCH FUNNIER. SHIT, I MAKE FUN 0' NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER ALL THE TIME UP AT INDYBAY!!)

I MEAN, LOOK WHAT I DID WITH *YOU*!! -- AND MOST OF MY JOKES PROBABLY WENT RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD!! NOW, AUDIENCES *REALLY* FIND THAT FUNNY!! YOU'RE A NATURAL *FOIL*!

LET'S JUST RECREATE MY 'INTERVIEW' ON YOUR RADIO SHOW, OKAY? THE AUDIENCE WOULD *LOVE* IT!

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED INVITING JEFFREY BLANKFORT? HE'D BE A GREAT ALTERNATIVE TO BARBARA!


"Re: Amy Goodman. I really like her and think she's a courageous reporter. But she is 180 degrees wrong about Israel."

Well, Amy comes to the Bay Area often enough. Why don't you *tell* her at her next Q&A!?

"It may be a personal grudge with her (her Grandfather was an orthodox rabbi)."

Yeah, I guess a grandfather-granddaugter complex, huh?

"Whatever the cause, she is hell-bent on defaming Israel every chance she gets. She also does NOT report on Palestinian terror in any way commmensurate with her reporting on Israel."

Well, you should ask her *why*, the next time she's giving a Bay Area lecture.


"For the record I have never advocated killing all the Arabs. I have never called Arab people "ragheads" or "sand niggers"."

*** JUST "TOWELHEADS", RIGHT!? ***


"For the record, I don't support transfer either, unless its voluntary."

JUST IMPERIALISM, COLONIALISM, MASSACRES, MASS ETHNIC CLEANSING, THE IMPOSITION OF A FOREIGN NATION-STATE, RELIGIO-RACIALLY LEGALLY DEFINED STATES, RESTRICTIVE REAL-ESTATE COVENANCES (i.e., restrictions against other people owning/leasing land on the basis of race or ethnicity; something Jews fought against and claimed was *immoral* in the U.S. when Jews couldn't buy/lease certain property because they were Jewish), ETC -- THAT'S ALL, HUH?


"But then its easy for me to not feel anti-Arab bigotry."

***OBVIOUSLY***!!!

"I don't live in Israel."

WHY NOT? MAYBE YOU CAN SAVE THE JEWS FROM BEING SO SLOW -- EVEN "GLACIAL", AS YOU PUT IT.

CLEARLY, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE NOT HAVING MUCH OF AN EFFECT ON YOUR MANY "DEAR" JEWISH FRIENDS IN SANTA CRUZ!

"I'm not scared everytime I get on a bus. And I never had a family member or friend blown to bits by a Palestinian suicide bomber."

HAVE YOU EVER HAD YOUR PARENTS' HOME TAKEN OVER BY A JEWISH FAMILY -- "FLEEING RACIAL PERSECUTION" -- WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD (AS I'M SURE THAT CHRISTIAN GERMAN FAMILIES MUST HAVE TAKEN OVER JEWISH HOMES IN THE NAZI ERA) -- AND THROWN OUT ON THE STREETS WITH YOUR FURNITURE?

HAS *YOUR* HOME BEEN TAKEN OVER BY A JEWISH FAMILY -- "FLEEING RACIAL PERSECUTION" -- AND YOU AND YOUR FURNITURE THROWN OUT ON THE STREETS?

HAVE YOU EVER HAD YOUR HOME BLOWN UP BECAUSE YOUR SON/NEPHEW THREW *ROCKS* AT THE POLICE OR SOLDIERS? -- OR FOR ANYTHING ELSE YOUR SON/NEPHEW HAS DONE? (THAT'S *REAL* "DEMOCRACY" IN ACTION, HUH?)

HAVE FULL-BODY-ARMORED SOLDIERS/POLICE EVER SHOT AND KILLED YOUR CHILD AS THE SUMMARY SENTENCE FOR *THROWING ROCKS* -- EVEN AT A TANK!? OR FOR THE CRIME OF PLAYING IN THEIR OWN YARD!?

MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE CRIME RATE IN AMERICA!: IF YOUR SON/DAUGHTER COMMITS A MISDEMEANOR, FELONY, OR CAPITAL OFFENSE, THE POLICE/MILITARY HAS PERMISSION TO GO BLOW UP YOUR HOME!!


"So its easy for me to not harbor racist feelings toward Arab people."

AGAIN!!: THAT'S ***OBVIOUS***!!!


"Its much more of a challenge for the Jews in Israel."

SO, YOU WOULD *UNDERSTAND* IT, IF THE *JEWS* IN ISRAEL SUCCUMBED TO RACISM (ANTI-PALESTINIAN ANTI-SEMITISM).

BUT, IT WOULD BE DESPICABLE, HYPOTHETICALLY, FOR ANY PALESTINIANS -- WHOSE NATIVE LAND HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY; FAMILY MEMBERS KILLED BY THE MILITARY; HOMES DESTROY; ORCHARDS/FARMS DESTROYED OR MADE INACCESSABLE; WATER CONFISCATED OR DIVERTED -- TO SUCCUMB TO RACISM (ANTI-JEWISH ANTI-SEMITISM)?

THAT, IN ITSELF, OR YOUR BELIEFS ABOUT THAT, IS *NOT* RACIST TO YOU!?


"A solution to the conflict would involve a peaceful resolution between the Arab and the Israeli people."

HOW ABOUT A SECULAR, TRULY DEMOCRATIC STATE FOR ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RACE, RELIGION, OR ETHNICITY. BUT *THAT'S* TOO MUCH FOR *YOU* AND ZIONIST JEWS (HOWEVER RARE THEY MIGHT BE IN SANTA CRUZ), HUH?

THAT WOULD BE LIKE, IN 1859, "END SLAVERY!? WE CAN'T JUST *END* SLAVERY!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BLACKS WOULD DO TO US!!? THEY MIGHT DO TO *US* WHAT WE DID TO **THEM**!!"


"I personally feel its the Arab leaders who are the biggest obstacle to peace."

WHAT A *SURPRISSSE*!!


"And all your bally-hooing about dismantling the Jewish State of Israel (rather than supporting it) is only going to extend the conflict."

YEAH, WE SHOULDN'T "BALLY-HOO" ABOUT ENDING, IDEOLOGICALLY AND LEGALLY, ETHNICALLY-DEFINED/-EXCLUSIVE/-CHAUVINISTIC STATES -- LIKE THE NAZI STATE.

I'VE ALWAYS MYSELF BEEN FOND OF HAVING THE U.S. LEGALLY SELF-DECLARED AS "A CHRISTIAN MALE STATE", WHERE CHRISTIAN MEN ARE LEGALLY PRIVILEGED OVER WOMEN, AND WOMEN ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO OWN OR EVEN LEASE NEARLY ALL OF THE PROPERTY, OR SO MUCH AS PUT A ROOM ADDITION ONTO THEIR HOMES!

FURTHERMORE, IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL FOR ANY POLITICIAN OR OFFICIAL OF THE STATE TO CALL FOR SEXUAL EQUALITY!

*THAT* SHOULD KEEP WOMEN LIKE *YOU* IN THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACES: *DOWN*!!


"I didn't say there WAS no Palestine. I said there IS no Palestine. It no longer exists."

LIKE HITLER WITH CZECHOSLOVAKIA OR POLAND, HUH?


"And it NEVER existed as a sovereign country."

WELL, ISRAEL AS A NATION-STATE NEVER EXISTED BEFORE 1948.

NATIVE AMERICANS NEVER HAD "SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES". DID THAT JUSTIFY WIPING THEM OFF THEIR LANDS AND THE EUROPEAN GENOCIDE AGAINST THEM?

AFRICAN SLAVES NEVER HAD "SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES". DID THAT JUSTIFY SWEEPING THEM INTO CHATTEL SLAVERY?

EUROPEAN JEWS NEVER HAD A "SOVEREIGN COUNTRY" IN EUROPE. DID THAT JUSTIFY PROGROMS, WIPING THEM OFF THE LAND, MASS DISPOSSESSING THEM, AND GENOCIDE AGAINST THEM?

LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF A MANDATE -- AND SEE WHO IT WAS TO BE HELD IN TRUST FOR: THE *INDIGENOUS* PEOPLE -- NOT OTHER EUROPEAN COLONIZERS.

ANY FUNDAMENTALLY AND MORALLY, WHAT DOES IT MATTER? DOES ONE HAVE A RIGHT TO ETHNICALY CLEANSE AND MASSACRE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR NATIVE LAND IS SUPPOSEDLY NOT A "SOVEREIGN COUNTRY"?

That's like Eurpeans telling Native Americans that European colonizers can take Native land because "it's not fenced in" or "you don't have a country"!


"The Jewish population in Palestine in 1882, right at the beginning of the Zionistic movement, was 25,000. The Palestinian population we see today, had not yet begun to migrate to that area."

THE INDIGENOUS (MOSTLY NON-EUROPEAN) JEWISH POPULATION IN PALESTINE AT THE TURN OF THE 20TH CENTURY WAS BETWEEN 3-6%. Palestine was, for all practical purposes, an Arab country. And even the cultural practices of the indigenous Jews there were Arab. In fact, they were often known as "Arab Jews".

THE INDIGENOUS NON-EUROPEAN JEWISH POPULATION OF PALESTINE WAS NOT EVEN CONSULTED ABOUT WHETHER THEY WANTED A ZIONIST STATE.

EUROPEAN JEWS -- WHO NO MORE CARED WHETHER PALESTINIAN JEWS WANTED A ZIONIST STATE THAN THEY CARED WETHER PALESTINIAN ARABS DID -- COUDLN'T HAVE CARED LESS ABOUT THE NON-EUROPEAN PALESTINIAN JEWS AND, INDEED, RACISTLY LOOKED DOWN ON THEM.


"Most Arab migration to Palestine dovetailed Zionist migration and the resulting farms and businesses that provided jobs. The early Zionists BOUGHT land from willing sellers. They did not "drive the Arabs from the land" (they may have had to evict some squatters after the land was purchased, but this hardly constitutes a human rights violation."

BEEN READING JOAN PETER'S DISCREDITED BOOK "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL", HUH? I CALL HER BOOK "THE JEWISH MEIN KAMPF".


FIVE THINGS THAT EVERY COLONIAL RACISTS -- ESPECIALLY EUROPEAN SETTLER-COLONIALISTS -- ALWAYS DID -- *EVERYWHERE* THEY WENT (IN AFRICA, IN THE AMERICAS, IN ASIA, AND IN PALESTINE), LIKE CLOCKWORK:

(1) THEY GO SOMEWHERE TO THE NON-EUROPEAN WORLD, WITH THE BIBLE & THE GUN, OFTEN CLAIMING PERSECUTION, AND THEN, ALSO CLAIMING "GOD'S WILL", IN TURN, HYPOCRITICALLY KILL, PERSECUTE, AND OPPRESS OTHERS.

(2) DENY THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S PERSONHOOD OR PEOPLEHOOD (THEY REALLY AREN'T PEOPLE OR A PEOPLE);

(3) DENY THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S CULTURE (THEY DON'T HAVE ONE);

(4) DENY THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S HISTORY (DENY/ERASE IT);

(5) DENY/DIMINISH THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S IMMEDIATE TIE TO THE LAND (THEY HAVE NONE; IN FACT, IT'S ALWAYS A VAST EMPTY "LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE").


"not a person" writes: "When the Palestinians wanted to expeditiously, not after 2,000 years, return to their land after they were driven off due to unbearable conditions, like anti-Palestinian pogroms (ethnic cleansing) and war, created by their occupiers (the zionists), Israel said _NO_."

BECKY: "Not true. The '48 war was driven by the Arab countries who rose up to drive the Jews into the sea (i.e. their aim was to genocide the Jews)."

YOU SEE, BECKY, THIS IS WHERE IT'S FUNNN -- ONCE AGAIN -- TO REVEAL YOUR UTTER STYOOOPIDITY!!:

THE UN JEWISH PARTITION IN PALESTINE WAS ***NEVER*** ATTACKED BY ***ANY*** ARAB COUNTRY! -- IN FACT, IT WAS EXPLICITLY *NOT* ATTACKED (sometimes by secret agreement)!!

ISRAEL'S 1948 WAR WAS, AS BEN GURION ET AL HAD PLANNED, WAS REALLY ISRAEL'S IMMEDIATE "WAR OF EXPANSION".

IN FACT, BEN GURION -- AND OTHER ZIONISTS -- ALWAYS SAID THAT THEY HAD PLANNED ON MILITARILY EXPANDING BEYOND THE UN JEWISH PARTITION.

THE SURROUNDING ARAB COUNTRIES (EACH FOR THEIR OWN REASONS) MOVED IN TO TRY TO TAKE/HOLD LAND OUTSIDE THE JEWISH PARTITION, RIGHTFULLY FEELING THAT ISRAEL WOULD TAKE MORE LAND BY FORCE.

(THE PARTITION ITSELF UNFAIR, BECAUSE IT GAVE THE EUROPEAN JEWISH INFLUX, MOSTLY ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION BY BRITISH STANDARDS, THAT HAD SWELLED TO ABOUT 30% OF THE POPULATION, ABOUT 56% OF THE LAND.

SO STILL *70%* OF PALESTINE'S POPULATION, MOSTLY PALESTINIAN ARABS, WAS ALLOWED JUST LESS THAN 45% OF THE LAND!

NAME ANY OTHER COUNTRY/PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THIS.)

ISRAEL EXPANDED FROM ABOUT 30% OF PALESTINE TO ABOUT 78% OF PALESTINE.

ISRAEL HAS BEEN IN ABOUT 5 WARS -- AND ALL BUT ONE WAS A PRETEXTUALLY STARTED BY *ISRAEL* TO TAKE ADDITIONAL LAND BY FORCE.

REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE AYE-RABS STARTED ALL OF ISRAEL'S WARS?

BECKY, YOU'RE JUST SUCH A ***FFOOOLLL***!!

I'VE JUST BEEN *****AMUSING***** MYSELF AT YOUR EXPENSE, BUT I'M TIRED OF PLAYING WITH YOU ANYMORE!!


As for Israel's "refusal" to let them return. How do you explain Israel's setting up a special board of their immigration dept. just to process applications for those who wanted to return? Do you discount that that board 'returned' 170,000 Palestinian Arabs inside of Israel where they immediately became Israeli citizens?

YEAH, AND THE NAZIS SET UP SPECIAL BOARDS TO "PROCESS" THE JEWS AND TOLD THEM THAT THEY COULD ONE DAY RETURN TOO.

WHERE IS THE PALESTINIAN RIGHT OF RETURN NOW?

WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS A RIGHT OF "RETURN" FOR "JEWS" WHO HAVE NEVER EVEN TOUCHED TOE TO PALESTINE (OR "ISRAEL").

ISRAELIS HYPORCRITICALLY AND ANTI-SEMITICALLY WORRY ABOUT "TOO MANY ARABS" AROUND, JUST AS EUROPEAN (OR AMERICAN) CHRISTIANS/GENTILES USED TO ANTI-SEMTICALLY WORRY ABOUT "TOO MANY JEWS" AROUND!!

"Also, how do you claim 700,000 or 750,000 Arabs became refugees in 1948 when the UN only counted 420,000? Where did those extra 300,000 Palestinian Arabs come from? (name your source)"

DIDN'T YOU SEE ME TURN NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER INTO MY BEEYATCH...? I'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE.

YOU GOT THE ANSWER NOW?

IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF YOUR UTTER SHEER ***STYOOOPIDITY***!!

OKAY, I'M TIRED OF BEING AMUSED BY YOU NOW.

I'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION, NOW, I NEED FROM YOU.
 

to NonLunatic (Gee, you went under the name Joe when you posted your same snipe on Indybay!):

(Yo non-CT!: is *that* what you mean by anonyMOUSE people flitting from one name/alias to another? Of course you stole the crack "anonyMouse" from gerhig up at indybay. So, it's not even original with you.)


Here's my same response NonLunatic/Joe:


SPEAKING OF "*OBSESSED*"..., AND YET YOU ZIONISTS WANT TO GO BACK **2,000** YEARS -- CLAIMING A ***5000*** YEAR-OLD NEAR PRE-HISTORIC PROMISE TO THE HEBREWS "BY GOD"!!

TALK ABOUT A BUNCH O' ***NUTS***!!!
 

Liars - I never said any of those things

Liars liars. I am with Becky!
 

Juif Antagoniste pulled a fast one on us

JA quoted from the book's first edition published in 1987. I was relying on the *second*, revised edition published a year ago called The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited. See www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521009677/qid=1107781347/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-5319497-0595867.

Moral of the story: always take JA's "scoops" with a huge grain of salt.

Go lick your wounds, Juif Antagoniuste idiot!!!
 

Einstein compared future Israeli Prime Minister Begin to Adolf Hitler

Above "Albert Einstein" supposedly states, "Liars liars. I am with Becky!"

Here is the letter where Einstein compares future Israeli Prime Minister Begin to Adolf Hitler:

santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/display/15529/index.php
 

AGAIN!!: non-CT's doin' a lot of **YAPPIN**, but I don't see no *CITATIONS*!!

First non-CT claimed that: "Benny Morris counts **ONLY** 700,000 "Palestinian" refugees in 1947/1948."

HAVING GONE DOWN IN A CONFLAGRATION OF UTTER IGNOMINIOUS FLAMES(!!!), then, FLAILINGLY, he tries to DESPERATELY come back with:

non-CT: "JA quoted from the book's first edition published in 1987. I was relying on the *second*, revised edition published a year ago called The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited. Moral of JA's the story: always take his "scoops" with a huge grain of salt."

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YADA, YADA, YADA...

I DON'T SEE NO CITATIONS FROM YOU! JUST MORE **YYYAPPIN'**!!

I PROVIDED *CITATIONS*!!


non-CT: "Note that you didn't refute my claims that majority of the 700,000 refuges were NOT uprooted by Zionist/Israeli forces. Many of them, in fact, left because Arab leaders urged them to leave temporarily until the Jews are "driven into the sea" and the land is cleansed."


"THE BIRTH OF THE PALESTINIAN REFUGEE PROBLEM, 1947-1949" - by Benny Morris (Israeli historian)


BENNY MORRIS: "JEWISH ***ATTACK*** directly and indirectly triggered **MOST** of the Arab exodus up to June 1948" (p.287-288)

"AS TO April [1948] and THE START OF THE *MAIN* EXODUS, I HAVE FOUND *NO* EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THE AHC [*ARAB* Higher Committee] ISSUED BLANKET INSTRUCTIONS, BY RADIO OR OTHERWISE, TO PALESTINE'S ARABS TO FLEE." (p. 290)
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: THE END OF THE STORY.

"You can go suck eggs for all I care!"

(see "'Land greedy' Israel gave BACK 94% of the conquered lands"
santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/update/index.php)

I CAN GO "SUCK EGGS" ...!!??? HA-HA! IS *THAT* SOME KIND OF 'NORMAN ROCKWELL' LITTLE PREPPY INSULT!?

WHAT? DO YOU COME FROM SOME KIND OF "LEAVE IT TO BEAVER" FAMILY?


BULLSHIT BECKY: "As for the 1956 war, you would prefer I expound on the merits and subtle causes whether I feel I am knowledgable or not?"

"...the *SUBLTE* causes"???

**YOU**, BECKYO, MADE THE CLAIM THAT "ISRAEL WAS *ATTACKED* IN THE 1956 [SUEZ] WAR"!!


TO ALL OF BULLSHIT BECKY'S DEBATORS: I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD ANY *FURTHER* CONTINUE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME DEBATING IN DETAIL THAT ZIONOID ENDLESS PROPAGANDA ZOMBIE!!

IF SHE CONTINUES TO JUST REPEAT HERSELF, I WOULD JUST LET HER GO ON AND ON. OTHERWISE, IF SHE POSTS SOMETHING NEW THAT'S REALLY SPECIOUS, I WOULD JUST TAKE ONE MAJOR POINT OF HERS, AS A *MAJOR* DEMONSTRATION POINT, TO DEMOLISH HER AND SHOW THAT SHE'S EITHER MAKING UP SHIT, OR CRITICALLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S SHE'S TALKING ABOUT -- A PRETTY EASY THING TO DO.

THAT'S WHAT I DID WITH HER 1956 WAR CLAIM (WITHIN A STRING OF HER RIDICULOUS CLAIMS) -- AND NOT EVEN NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER WOULD/COULD COME TO HER RESCUE ON THAT ONE!!

IN A COURT OF LAW, IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT SOMEONE IS WRONG ABOUT A *MAJOR* POINT, THAT PRETTY MUCH DISCREDITS THEM WITHOUT HAVING TO SIFT THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THEIR CLAIMS.

BECKY HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN SOUNDLY DISCREDITED HERE ON SC-IMC. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN CAN SEE THAT.

THE WORD IS OUT NOW IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA ABOUT BECKY JOHNSON (MY PRIMARY GOAL) -- AND *THAT'S* THE IMPORTANT THING.

AS FAR AS I WOULD BE CONCERNED, BECKY CAN GO ON BEING AN ULTRA-ZIONIST PROPAGANDA DRONE/SPOUT ON SC-IMC DISCUSSION BOARDS FOREVER.

(AND I *BET* SHE'S GETTING *PAID*, *PERQS*, OR PAYMENT IN KIND, BY THE ZIONIST LOBBY -- LIKE A ZIONIST VERSION OF, OF COURSE TO A LESSER DEGREE, 'ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS'.)

I DOUBT THAT BECKY EVER WAS EVER A TRUE "LEFTIST". I'VE SEEN A FEW MORE CLEVER ZIONISTS USE THAT COVER BEFORE.
 

(cross-posted) So what do you have to do to be a leftist?

becky_johnson222 (nospam) hotmail.com

JA: If you doubt my leftist credentials, why don't you try a google search on me? You will find I have been a writer for Street Spirit since 1996, which is published by the American Friends Service Committee. I also am a member of the Free Radio Santa Cruz Collective which has been broadcasting for 10 years without a fuckin' FCC license and produces a decidedly leftist fare most of the time.

While I occasionally call in with my pro-Israel positions, I don't dominate the airwaves with my ideas. Although, my pen is sharp when it comes to critiques of their programming.

My article, "The Hopscotch Rebellion" was published by CounterPunch, detailing my fight with the city over 1st amendment issues and the use of chalk on a sidewalk. A subsequent Honolulu Star Bulletin editorial supported me.

My activism began in earnest way back during the Vietnam War when I was still in high school. I marched against the Vietnamese war. Years later, I marched with Steve Argue against the Yugoslavian war.

I successfully sued the LAPD for clubbing me at the DNC in LA in 2000.

I have organized protests against police brutality. I wrote the text of the resolution passed by the Santa Cruz City Council calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.

I have also written on behalf of women and children receiving welfare benefits. I organized the "Sex for Peace" event just prior to the Iraqi war. All of this can be found by a google search.

If you STILL want to proclaim that I am a phoney leftist, go ahead. It won't add to your credibility.

I am not a Zionist. Your definition of what a zionist is and my definition are completely different. But by either definition, I am not one. I am a member of DAFKA which has no affiliation with the State of Israel. It is a pro-Israel educational organization and is funded by private donations. Currently I am an unpaid volunteer.

I am aware that my positions on Israel are quite different with most leftists, but I find nothing in them that is internally inconsistant. I do not see Israel as a major perpetrator of war crimes. Far from it. Instead, I see a tiny country resolved to survive against a non-stop onslaught of Arab Islamic rage. I am buoyed by their accomplishments under such duress, and I pray for the day when Arab and Israeli, Muslim and Jew can live in peace side by side.
 

While it is *hard* to apply the word "clever" to Bullshit Becky...(well, 'clever' in her own simple-minded way)...

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I DOUBT THAT BECKY EVER WAS EVER A TRUE "LEFTIST". I'VE **SEEN** A FEW MORE CLEVER ZIONISTS USE THAT COVER BEFORE.

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And I've seen *REAL* progressive/leftist icons and other public figures not say *anything/much* against Israel, it's racist state ideology, and Palestinian oppression until they were pressed to finally speak up. They didn't before, because they knew the potential cost from Zionist/pro-Israel lobby economic domestic TERRORISTS (as the previously Zionist lobby-deposed African American Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney once experience -- but she handily *won* her Congressional seat back)!

I recently got one nationally prominent leftist to finally start speaking out against Israel's colonial oppression of the Palestinians. AND GEE, *DID* HE!! -- HE ALMOST CAME OUT LIKE MLK AGAINST THE VIETNAM WAR!!: TO THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE FROM THE AUDITORIUM-PACKED AUDIENCE (OF *ALL* COLORS AND FAITHS)!!

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BULLSHIT BECKY: "I am a member of DAFKA which has no affiliation with the State of Israel."

BECAUSE *THEN* YOU'D HAVE TO REGISTIER IT AS A FOREIGN AGENT OR DIRECT LOBBY OF ISRAEL, A FOREIGN GOVT.

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BULLSHIT BECKY: "I see a tiny country resolved to survive against a non-stop onslaught of Arab Islamic rage."

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE TOLD THAT NOT ALL ARABS ARE "ISLAMIC"? -- IN YOUR RACIST STEREOTYPING OF "a non-stop onslaught of Arab Islamic rage". MANY ARABS ARE CHRISTIAN, OTHER OR *SECULAR* -- AND THEY ALL MORALLY OPPOSE COLONIALIST RACIST ZIONISM.

AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD OF *ALL* ETHNICITIES, NATIONALITIES, RELIGIONS (OR NOT), STRONGLY AND MORALLY OPPOSE ZIONISM AS A RACIST IDEOLOGY.

*I'M* NEITHER ISLAMIC OR RELIGIOUS: EXPLAIN *MY* "Arab Islamic rage" MORAL OPPOSITION.

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BULLSHIT BECKY: "My article, "The Hopscotch Rebellion" was published by CounterPunch, detailing my fight with the city over 1st amendment issues and the use of chalk on a sidewalk."

I DON'T CARE ABOUT SOME PRIVILEGED WHITE GIRL AND HER FIGHT WITH THE CITY OVER PLAYING HOPSCOTCH ON THE SIDEWALK -- OR THE LITTLE HUMAN INTEREST FILLER STORY IT GENERATED.

THERE ARE BLACK, BROWN, AND RED PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER MUCH LARGER STAKES THAN *A HOPSCOTCH CHALKING CONVICTION*.

(DID THEY GIVE YA 'THA CHAIR', BECKY?)

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BULLSHIT BECKY: "I successfully sued the LAPD for clubbing me at the DNC in LA in 2000."

YEAH, I BET YOU GOT BEAT LIKE **RODNEY KING**, DIDN'T YOU!? I DIDN'T CATCH *THAT* VIDEOTAPE OR TRIAL OF YOURS ON NATIONAL (OR EVEN LOCAL) TV! SUED AND GOT MILLIONS ($$$) FOR IT, DID YA!? DID THEY MOVE THE *2ND* TRIAL TO SOUTH CENTRAL!?

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BULLSHIT BECKY: "I am aware that my positions on Israel are quite different with most leftists, but I find nothing in them that is internally inconsistant."

THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS **ANTI-THETICAL** TO ALL THOSE THINGS YOU, BECKY, **CLAIM** TO STAND FOR.

AND WE CAN **START** WITH THE ISSUE OF THE ISRAEL-MADE **HOMELESSNESS** OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!!

WE CAN TALK ABOUT *ISRAEL'S* 60+ YEARS WAR AGAINST AN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT POLICE AND MILITARY BRUTALITY AGAINST PALESTINIAN MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT *SUMMARY* DEATH PENALTIES CARRIED OUT EVERY DAY BY SOLDIERS IN THE STATE OF ISRAEL. WHERE'S YOUR "MORATORIUM' ON *THAT*!?

THEN WE CAN GO ON TO HOW ISRAEL HAS AFFECTED *MILLIONS* OF *PALESTINIAN* WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEIR WELFARE.

AND "SEX" IS *EXACTLY* WHAT ISRAELIS ARE RACISTLY WORRIED ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO "TOO MANY PALESTINIANS" AND "THE DEMOGRAPHIC BOMB".

MAYBE YOU CAN GO ORGANIZE A "SEX FOR PEACE" PALESTINIAN MOVEMENT IN ISRAEL-PALESTINE AS A FORM OF NON-VIOLENT PROTEST AGAINST ISRAEL'S COLONIZATION!

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BULLSHIT BECKY: "I am not a Zionist."

WELL, YOU POINTEDLY MENTIONED ALL YOUR "DEAR [ANTI-ZIONIST OR GLACIALLY SLOW] JEWISH FRIENDS", BUT YOU'RE STILL HOLDING OUT ON YOUR *SECRET* CURRENT/FORMER ZIONIST JEWISH HUSBAND/BOYFRIEND/RELATIVE.

HOWEVER, ANYONE WHO IS A MEMBER OF A *ZIONIST* ORGANIZATION IS A *ZIONIST*/*PRO-ZIONIST*, A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE.

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BECKY, I'M *NOT* IMPRESSED: YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A PHONY AND INTELLECTUALLY **SHALLOW** **POSER** 'LEFTIST'.

I'VE SEEN 'EM BEFORE.

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Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

Becky Johnson falsely claims membership in the Free Radio Santa Cruz collective in order to give her credibility w/ the "left." While its true, at times in the past she has housed the transmitter and studio, she does not participate in the FRSC collective decision making meetings, nor is she welcome to.
 

Nutso Zionist Expansionist Views Aside, In Defense of Becky Johnson

Is Becky a "leftist"? Obviously not on Israel.

Joseph Anderson doesn't know Becky or the work she's done in Santa Cruz. Why should he? Clearly, he is judging her on the her nut-rightist views on Israel--which has been the subject of these threads.

While I can understand the rage he, I, and others feel about apologetics for the terrorist Israeli government, Becky is a real and regular supporter of civil rights for homeless people locally. She has written, documented, and spoke out for restoring basic rights for the poor in public spaces in Santa Cruz. (Check out www.huffsantacruz.org)

She does write regularly for Street Spirit, the monthly American Friends Service Committee newspaper sold by the homeless.

"The Hopscotch Rebellion" was about the Santa Cruz Police Department's crackdown on political activists chalking slogans against anti-homeless legislation on the sidewalk in the City's gentrification campaign in 2002 passing the Downtown Ordinances.

She was pummeled by the LAPD while trying to cover the DNC in 2000 in L.A. She has probably put more homeless people up in her backyard than anyone I know.

She has not only regularly helped produce my twice-weekly radio show Bathrobespierre's Broadsides for nine years, but has helped the FRSC collective in the past by housing the transmitter at significant personal risk to her and her family.

I think it's inaccurate, ungrateful, and narrow-minded to suggest Becky is "not a part" of the FRSC collective. I understand the "FRSC collective member" who rightfully disagrees with Becky's views on this one subject finds her anti-Palestinian tirades repugnant. So do I.

A small strong minority of collective members to their credit are the folks who regularly attend the meetings. Most of us don't. That doesn't take away from the what the rest of us give to the station nor make us non-members. All of us. Even those with some nutso views.

I find it confusing and frustrating that Becky can see so clearly on some issues, yet be so deluded on others.

It's certainly true that her positive work on police abuse and human rights denial locally shouldn't lend any credibility to her confused support for Israeli government terrorism.

That said, her extremist right-wing take on Israel shouldn't take away from what she does and is doing locally to restore civil rights to poor people and educate the community on that issue. Both of these issues should be judged on their own merits.

People are not machines. They are often a mass of contradictions. It's important not to throw out the wheat with the chaff. Becky and her work on local issues are not chaff.

Full disclosure: as many readers of this thread know, Becky and I lived together for five years and are good friends.
 

Dear Robert Norse

I have lived in Israel many years and while I'm a rightist, I do not embrace the substantial dogmatism of the Israeli far Right.

I'm sorry to see you believe the Israeli government is terrorist and has practiced terrorism, apparently for having assassinated Palestinian terrorists (organizers, commanders and rank & file) and killing some Palestinian bystanders in the process of targeting terrorists and gunmen. I bet you don't quite see things that way. But I'd be happy to expound on these issues if you desire to engage debate in a rather civil manner unlike the discourse I've had with the likes of the severely misnomered Truth Warrior and the pathological lying buffoon Steven Argue.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

"her extremist right-wing take on Israel shouldn't take away from what she does and is doing locally"

But it does. That's the truth. Becky Johnson is an imperialist, plain and simple.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

Hey Robert,
Do you hold the same standard for Scott Kennedy, or Mike Rotkin, who you disagree with about local issues, but whose world view conforms to your own? If not, you ar a hypocrit.
 

I'LL REPEAT MYSELF! -- OR, IF YOU EXPERIENCED THIS ALL THE TIME, THEN YOU'D BE WRITNG IN *CAPS* TOO!!

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BECKY, I'M *NOT* IMPRESSED: YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A PHONY AND INTELLECTUALLY **SHALLOW** **POSER** 'LEFTIST'.

** I'VE SEEN 'EM BEFORE. **

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WOULD IT HAD BEEN OKAY IF BECKY HAD BEEN A "PROGRESSIVE" NAZI? "COOL" ON EVERYTHING BUT THE JEWS?

(AFTER ALL, JOE WEBB -- IF YOU KNOW HIM FROM DOWN YOUR WAY -- CLAIMS TO BE A *MARXIST*! HE AND BECKY ARE TWO OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE SAME COIN:

ONE IS ANT-JEWISH; THE OTHER IS ANTI-PALESTINIAN/-ARAB.)


WOULD IT HAVE BEEN OKAY IF BECKY HAD BEEN "COOL" ON ALL ISSUES EXCEPT SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID?: "MANDELA IS A TERRORIST! THE BLACKS -- THEY OUTNUMBER THE WHITES *5* TO *1*! -- WILL SWEEP THE WHITES INTO THE SEA!"

WHAT ABOUT A "LIBERAL SEGREGATIONIST"? THERE *WERE* THOSE WHO WANTED TO PROMOTE -- "IN FAIRNESS" -- GOOD -- OR 'GOOD ENOUGH'! -- BLACK SCHOOLS, DECENT HOUSING, THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES AND OTHER LOCAL BLACK INSTITUTIONS, EVEN THEIR OWN PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS AND BEACHES IN THE CITIES -- AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T TRY TO MIX WITH WHITES.

TO THIS DAY, SOME CITIES BUILD QUALITY/SUBURGAN/AFFLUENT AFFLUENT BLACK RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SO THAT THOSE BLACKS WITH PROFESSIONAL JOBS DON'T TRY TO MOVE INTO QUALITY/SUBURBAN/AFFLUENT WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WOULD IT HAD BEEN COOL IF BECKY HAD BEEN A "PROGRESSIVE" MALE -- WHO "LOVED" WOMEN ENOUGH TO MARRY OR LIVE WITH ONE -- BUT A MISOGYNIST WHO SLAPPED AROUND HIS WIFE/GIRLFRIEND AT HOME OR SEXUALLY COERCED WOMEN SUBORDINATES ON THE JOB?

THERE ARE EVEN WHITES WHO ADOPT BLACK BABIES/CHILDREN, WHITES WHO ARE NONETHELESS LIBERAL *RACISTS*!

WHITES, WHO RAISE THEIR BLACK ADOPTED CHILDREN IN ALL-WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS, RAISING THEM AS "BLACK ANGLO-SAXONS" -- A *TRIUMPH* OF *WHITE* CIVILIZATION! -- WITHOUT A SINGLE BLACK BOOK (ON BLACK CULTURE, LITERATURE, HISTORY, OR ANYTHING ELSE) IN THE HOUSE! -- AND DON'T EVEN WANT ANY OF THE BLACK KID'S BLACK FRIENDS (MAYBE FROM SCHOOL) TO COME OVER.

I'VE HAD WHITE FEMALE COLLEGE OR WORK FRIENDS -- WITH NO BLACK PERSONAL *REAL* FRIENDS -- TELL ME THAT *I'M* "DIFFERENT" (INTELLIGENT, FEMINIST, ARTICULATE, ETC), BUT NONETHELESS ASK ME, "WHY ARE OTHER BLACK MEN SO MISOGYNIST?"

--OR WHITES WHO ONLY REALLY LIKE BLACKS THAT THEY CAN REACH *DOWN* TO AND 'SAVE' IN THE NAME OF THEIR WHITE 'GENEROSITY', SELF-CONGRATULATION, AND SOCIAL 'DARING'.

SO, I'VE SEEN *LOTS* OF "CONTRADICTIONS" THAT ULTIMATELY DON'T DO THE WORLD ANY GOOD.

MARTIN LUTHER KING (WHEN HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT IN OPPOSITION TO THE RACIST AND GENOCIDAL VIETNAM WAR -- AT THE RISK OF ALIENATING LBJ FROM SUPPORTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT -- SAID,

"I HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST SEGREGATION ALLL MY LIFE! AND, HAVING DONE SO, I WILL *NOT* SEGREGATE MY MORALITY."


HE SAID THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO OPPOSE WHITE-SUPREMACY AND RACISM AT HOME, BUT *NOT* OPPOSE IT OVERSEAS.

AND LIKEWISE, I DON'T FEEL THAT *ANYONE* CAN BE "NON-RACIST" AT HOME, AND YET BE RACIST ABROAD.

I FEEL THAT ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALLY LIKE JEWS (OUTSIDE OF THE GENOCIDALLY HYPOCRITICAL REPUTATION THAT ZIONIST JEWS ARE CREATING FOR THEMSELVES, ESPECIALLY IN PALESTINE) DOESN'T REALLY LIKE BLACKS (OR ANY OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR).

AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE PALESTINIANS/ARABS, DOESN'T REALLY LIKE BLACKS EITHER. YOU KNOW, THE ZIONIST LOBBY WAS EVEN SPYING ON THE ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENT.

AND WHAT DID ARIEL SHARON SAY ABOUT BLACKS?: "WHAT CAN A PEOPLE WHO DESCENDED FROM TREES TEACH US ABOUT CIVILIZATION!"

I MEAN, WE DON'T ACCEPT ANTI-SEMITES OR OTHER RACISTS INTO OUR MOVEMENTS -- EVEN IF, OR UNDER THE GUISE THAT, THEY ARE "PRO-PALESTINIAN", OR ANTI-IMPERIALISTS, OR JUST AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR WAR IN IRAQ BECAUSE IT'S BOTCHED.

NO, WE *POINT OUT*, *PUT THE WORD OUT*, *ISOLATE*, AND *FREEZE OUT* PEOPLE LIKE THAT FROM OUR MOVEMENTS. OTHERWISE, THEY RIGHTFULLY CALL OUR MOVEMENTS INTO QUESTION.

(SOME WHITE ANTI-IMPERIALISTS MIGHT JUST BE WHITE "ISOLATIONISTS", LIKE PAT BUCHANAN, DAVID DUKE, AND THEIR ILK. YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF OREGON OUTLAWED SLAVERY BECAUSE THEY WHITE STATE GOVT DIDN'T WANT *ANY* BLACKS IN THE STATE **AT ALL** -- FOR *ANY* REASON!!

LIKEWISE, SOME ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE REALLY "CONSERVATIONISTS" -- A DOMESTICALLY ISOLATIONIST, "STATES RIGHT" OR EVEN "LIBERTARIAN", ANTI-NONWHITE IMMIGRANT, WHITE-SUPREMACIST POLITICAL BREED.)

EVEN BECKY'S VERY ARGUMENTS FOR WHY SHE SUPPORTS ZIONISM AND *JEWISH*-SUPREMACY IN PALESTINE ARE **SHALLOW** AND COMPLETELY ROBOTIC -- EVEN GLASSY-EYED *CULTISH*. SHE CERTAINLY TALKS -- IN HER ZIONIST ZOMBIE PRATTLE -- LIKE A "MACHINE".

SO, I ASSUME THAT HER LEFTIST POSE IS EITHER SHALLOW, FADDISH OR SOMEHOW CALCULATED.

YES, PEOPLE CAN BE "COMPLEX" AND EVEN "CONTRADICTORY", BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO STOP AMD FATHOM BECKY'S PSYCHOLOGICAL CONTRADICTIONS -- WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED IN A 60-YEAR RACIST ZIONIST WAR, POLITICALLY IN ALL OUR NAMES AND AID, ALMOST EVERY DAY.

BECKY'S RIGHT TO HOPSCOTCH IS AN INTERESTING LOCAL FOOTNOTE, BUT WE ARE REALLY DEALING WITH AN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO THEIR NATIVE -- NOT *ANCIENT* -- HOMES WITHOUT BEING DRIVEN OFF OR SOCIOCIDALLY AND SEMIGENOCIDALLY MASSACRED.

I'M TOO CONCERNED ABOUT *THAT* ISSUE, WITHOUT STOPPING TO PSYCHOLOGICALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT BECKY'S "CONTRADICTIONS" OR MORAL CONTORTIONS.

(IF SHE WERE A LONGTIME GIRLFRIEND, HOUSEMATE, OR CLOSE FRIEND, AS A HIGHLY PERSONAL MATTER, I MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTED IN SORTING THAT OUT WITH HER. AND,ROBERT, I *APPRECIATE* YOUR BLUNT *HONESTY* ABOUT HER FUCKED-UP VIEWS ON PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS.)

(I'M STILL SUSPICIOUS, IF SHE OR A CURRENT/FORMER SPOUSE/BOYFRIEND/RELATIVE IS NOT JEWISH, ABOUT **WHY** SHE IS A MEMBER -- AND SUCH A HIGHLY KINETIC ACITIVIST -- OF A ZIONIST "EDUCATIONAL" ORGANIZATION.)

NO. BECKY CANNOT BE MY ALLY IN *ANY* CIVIL/HUMAN RIGHTS STRUGGLE. I DON'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF COMPROMISES. SHE AND I CANNOT STAND OR MARCH SHOULDER-TO-SHOULDER *ANYWHERE*. I DON'T HOLD HANDS WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

AND I DON'T SUPPORT SO-CALLED "LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE/LEFTIST" JEWS WHO ARE "LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE/LEFTIST" -- UNTIL IT COMES TOO CLOSE 'TO HOME' AND *THEIR* PET RACIAL/'RACIALIZED' PRIVILEGES.

AND I WON'T LET THEM USE THEIR OTHER "PROGRESSIVENESS" FOR COVER.

WHEN I HEARD "NEVER AGAIN!", I ALWAYS TOOK IT TO MEAN A MORAL CALL FOR *EVERYONE*, *EVERYWHERE*! I DIDN'T TAKE IT TO MEAN, "AFTER HITLER, NOW *OUR* (THE JEWS) TURN!!"

I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
 

He just can't make do with the truth

"ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE PALESTINIANS/ARABS, DOESN'T REALLY LIKE BLACKS EITHER. YOU KNOW, THE ZIONIST LOBBY WAS EVEN SPYING ON THE ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENT."

"AND WHAT DID ARIEL SHARON SAY ABOUT BLACKS?: "WHAT CAN A PEOPLE WHO DESCENDED FROM TREES TEACH US ABOUT CIVILIZATION!""
"I MEAN, WE DON'T ACCEPT ANTI-SEMITES OR OTHER RACISTS INTO OUR MOVEMENTS..."

Hmmmm...JA himself is a rabid antisemite.

"NO, WE *POINT OUT*, *PUT THE WORD OUT*, *ISOLATE*, AND *FREEZE OUT* PEOPLE LIKE THAT FROM OUR MOVEMENTS."

When was the last JA did those things unto himself?"

PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED IN A 60-YEAR RACIST ZIONIST WAR, POLITICALLY IN ALL OUR NAMES AND AID, ALMOST EVERY DAY."
"WE ARE REALLY DEALING WITH AN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO THEIR NATIVE -- NOT *ANCIENT* -- HOMES WITHOUT BEING DRIVEN OFF OR SOCIOCIDALLY AND SEMIGENOCIDALLY MASSACRED."

These lies have been refuted so many times that I'll late them stand now.
 

BECKY, WE DON'T CARE *WHAT* KIND OF ANOMALOUS TWISTED FLAVOR OF 'LEFTIST' KOOK YOU ARE!!

(CROSS-POSTED TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE RECORD UNDER THIS ARTICLE.)
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BULLSHIT BECKY: "As for my "face-saving" published articles on homeless issues, are you saying I only published 300 plus articles in the past 9 years JUST to cover up my Zionist connections?"

BECKY, YOU'RE *NOT* THE ONLY CRITICALLY, TRAGICALLY, AND FATALLY FLAWED "PROGRESSIVE/LEFTIST" -- OR PERSON OF *ANY* KIND -- THAT HAS EVER EXISTED.

WHAT ABOUT THAT FAMOUS '60'S "LEFTIST" ACTIVIST -- IRA EINHORN?

EINHORN HABITUALLY BEAT HIS GIRLFRIEND -- EVEN AFTER GIVING ROUSING "LEFTIST" POLITICAL SPEECHES.

HE FINALLY BLUDGEONED HER TO DEATH IN HIS MISOGYNIST CONTROLLING RAGE, STUFFED HER IN A TRUNK AND LEFT HER TO ROT.

(HE ONCE EVEN ASKED TWO OTHER *WOMEN* TO HELP HIM MOVE THE TRUNK, TELLING THEM IT WAS FILLED WITH OLD STUFF. THE UNWITTING WOMEN JUST HAPPENED TO DECLINE, SAYING THEY WERE BUSY.)

EINHORN FLED, UNDER AN ASSUMED NAME, TO AND ACROSS EUROPE AND, FINALLY, TO FRANCE TO LIVE A LIFE OF COMFORT FOR TWO DECADES

--UNTIL HE WAS FINALLY TRACKED DOWN AND EXTRADICTED AFTER A PROTRACTED PROCESS.


AT ONE TIME HE WAS CONSIDERED A DARLING OF THE LEFT.

WAS HE A TRUE "LEFTIST"? WAS HE "COOL"?

ARE *TRUE* "LEFTISTS" MURDEROUS MISOGYNISTS?

I BET THAT HE COULD HAVE POINTED TO A LIST OF "LEFTIST CREDENTIALS" -- AND *MANY MORE* ARTICLES THAN YOU -- TO COVER HIS TWISTED EGO AND MISOGYNIST TRACKS.

AND OF ALL THINGS, HE REGARDED *HIMSELF* AND WAS REGARDED AS **"A CHAMPION OF HUMAN RIGHTS"**!!


SEE: "COUNTERCULTURE KILLER"

www.crimelibrary.com/classics/einhorn/

(THERE'S EVEN A PHOTO OF HIM THERE WITH ABBIE HOFFMAN.)


SEE: "IRA'S TOUR DE FRANCE: HOW IRA EINHORN HIJACKED THE FRENCH CONSCIENCE"
www.russbaker.com/Ira%27s%20tour%20de%20France.htm


FOR MORE ARTICLES GOOGLE: "IRA EINHORN".


NOW, YOU BECKY HAVE NOT COMMITED MURDER -- BUT THEN YOUR 'ACHIEVEMENTS' ARE NOT NEARLY AS 'GREAT' AS EINHORN'S.

YOU JUST CHAMPION THE SEMIGENOCIDAL *MURDER* OF A CONSCIOUSLY **PLANNED**, IDEOLOGICALLY RACIST STATE -- ISRAEL:

A STATE THAT METHODICALLY MASSACRES PEOPLE WHO WON'T GET OUT OF THE WAY, BE MASS DISPLACED BY THE MILLIONS, AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE -- JUST BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT JEWISH.


AS (anti-zionist) ALEXANDER COCKBURN -- CO-EDITOR OF "COUNTERPUNCH" -- HAS SAID, WHERE ONE STANDS ON (ANTI-)ZIONISM IS THE LITMUS TEST OF THE LEFT TODAY.

(SEARCH: CounterPunch.org for articles critical of Zionism/Israel ;
SEE book: "The Politics of Anti-Semitism" by Alexander Cockburn
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1902593774/qid=1108559732/ )


*TRUE* LEFTISTS DON'T SUPPORT GENOCIDE, SLAVERY, "JIM CROW", NAZISM, APARTHEID, OR ZIONISM.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

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Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

(Cross-posted to provide a comprehensiveness record under this article.)
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IRA EINHORN WAS A COUNTERCULTURE "HUMAN RIGHTS CHAMPION" -- A MISOGYNIST WHO REGULARLY BEAT AND BRUTALLY MURDERED HIS GIRLFRIEND.

BECKY JOHNSON IS A COUNTERCULTURE "HOMELESSNESS RIGHTS CHAMPION" -- A RACIST WHO SUPPORTS ZIONISM'S/ISRAEL'S SEMI-GENOCIDAL MURDERS AND BRUTALLY FORCED HOMELESSNESS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.


THE PARALLELS ARE STRIKINGLY *IRONIC*, IF NOT IN DEGREE, THEN IN SIMILARITY, HUH?

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Beware of false prophets.

An ancient Biblical proverb and warning. Something to keep in mind when detecting or seeing morally fatal flaws or thinking in some 'Messiah'.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

And what if I were Jewish? Should I have to be embarrassed?
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

JA supports that the Palestinians blow themselves up.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

And after encouraging them to do so, he has the nerve to say he is their friend.
 

Re: Joseph Anderson

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/142991/index.php
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

distorted history

Anyone who has studied the history of the Nazis would be hard pressed to differentiate between a Nazi and a Neoconservative.

the political overview still survives under another name dispite the opressive attempts to villify it. and indeed it is a central part of the idology of the mainstream progressive movement of today. although most may not realize it.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

are there very many Nazi types in santa cruze ?
I thought they where all surfers there
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

yes we have our share as mosy communities but they come and go. mostly they stay hidden in the backround as many of our other counter culture groups do.
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

I know of several residents that have two or three generations in these groups. it seems to be a cultural thing
 

Re: BECKY'S BRAIN!!: An Amazing 'Interview' With Becky Johnson of Santa Cruz

your writers support it!
 

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